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Mos6502
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 Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Post subject: How many variations of the CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar are there? |
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Mos6502 wrote:
Does anybody have a collection of the all the different barrel styles for this lens?
I also know that the lens was recalculated in the mid 1950s, was this the only time? Or was it improved again later?
I'd be very interested in knowing, if anybody has the answers, thanks in advance! |
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mo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:17 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
I would hate to think how many variations are out there for this lens...but an interesting question.Do you have any Tessars yourself?
I only have the Aluminum one with the serial 53***** I will post a photo of it soon
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CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
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Mos6502
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
I only have a 3.5/50 currently, but I have a 2.8/50 on the way from ebay. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:33 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I think I've had just about all the barrel styles apart from the last PB mount one, which is very rare.
Little difference in my experience, later ones have better coatings.
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Kian
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Kian wrote:
I have 2 version and like you i wanna know how many version dies it have and wichone in best???
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mo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:39 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
| Kian wrote: |
I have 2 version and like you i wanna know how many version dies it have and wichone in best??? |
Welcome to the forum Kian
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I bet they will perform the same or very close to it. Same lens, just the right hand one is older.
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calvin83
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
PB Mount Tessar should be better as it is multi-coated?
Click here to see on Ebay
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
That's only the second one of those I've seen for sale, I already had it in my watch list. It has fungus and the grip is missing, but it is a rare lens.
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Attila
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
pre-war brass nickel, post war alu, small and big, leatherette, star war (bakelite grip) zebra, latest MC I know these types.
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mo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Attila, do you know what serial number that the pre war Tessar would start at?
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CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
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Attila
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Production started in 1936 with first Exakta SLR.
http://forum.mflenses.com/carl-zeiss-jena-lenses-issue-date-by-serial-number-t6865.html
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/tessar/?
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mo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Thank you!
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CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
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enliten
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:12 am Post subject: |
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enliten wrote:
The tessar design is pretty old now, surely there are many iterations in the design
I have 2 copies of the zebra tessar in m42, both have stiff focus. I took one apart to service it, can't get the bugger back together.... sigh...
I need to weigh up whether it's worth me spending 50 bucks to have my local shop service and reassemble for me.
Conundrum.
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mo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:41 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
That is cheaper than what it would cost me. 
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CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
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Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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Mos6502
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
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| The tessar design is pretty old now, surely there are many iterations in the design |
Yes but the 2.8/50 specifically first appeared in the 1930s. |
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tao
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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tao wrote:
Do these count?
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Attila
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
surely made for what ? Can you show pictures from sides, rear , front as well?
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Xpres
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Xpres wrote:
Used this one last week.
I thought I'd post a photo here as you don't often see them with this focus grip in M42 - at least I haven't seen many.
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calvin83
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:34 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Apart from the sunken mount member tao shown, there are also Tessar mount on Werra camera and much more......
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
That is rare finish in any focal length I call them 'star war finish' probably I don't have congrats!
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mo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:37 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Xpres,that has the same rear end as the Pancolar 2/50...thanks for posting.Similar styling to this Tessar (image off of *bay) but with different front grip
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Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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