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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Meyer Trioplan 2.9/50 arrived |
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vilva wrote:
I got the lens yesterday but haven't tested it properly yet due to the cloudy weather. It seems to have better contrast than the uncoated S-K Radionar 2.9/50 but may have worse bokeh than that front cell focusing lens - that was to be expected. The Trioplan is a very small and light lens, 82 g of aluminum, glass and some plastic, practically pristine. Here it is compared to the Industar-50-2, about as wide but slightly longer:
and mounted on my 350D:
and a front view:
Finally two initial bokeh test photos:
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
What a cute lens!
And a typical three-element-bokeh. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
I really like the first test photo. The trioplan give a nice artistic bokeh. _________________ T* |
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fotomachi
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 638 Location: Estados Unidos de las Esferas Ultraterrenales
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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fotomachi wrote:
poilu wrote: |
I really like the first test photo. The trioplan give a nice artistic bokeh. |
I agree. Another lens to put on the list _________________ :::[ f o t o m a c h i . M X ]:::
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
OK the bokeh is not as smooth as Radionar's but it still looks more than acceptable esp. if compared with contemporary lenses.
I also notice a very good colour density, don't know if this is due to the shooting conditions or if it may be a quality of the lens and coating. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Lovely looking lens with very nice performance _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Despite the weather I went to take a few test shots, and it turned out the Trioplan performs quite adequately even in rather low contrast light. I took some bokeh test shots, which exhibit quite clear bright edge and double lining. Here are two examples:
However, this lens is quite sharp, and the colors are nice:
Here is an unsharpened crop, even on a 350D there is some Moire a little bit aft of "SILJA LINE":
My customary test shot:
and a crop:
More test shots at http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/eos350d_trioplan.html
A quite nice little lens.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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Retro
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 173 Location: Krautland
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Retro wrote:
What is the minimal distance of this lens? _________________ Cameras: Sigma SA300 - Sigma SD9 - Sigma SD10
Lenses: Sigma 15-30/3.5-4.5 - Vivitar 28/2.5 - Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 50/1.8 - Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58/2.0 (black) - Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar 135/4 - Sigma 28-70/2.8 - Sigma 70-300/4.0-5.6 - Vivitar 28-210/3.5-5.6
Equipment: Lightmeter Gossen Lunasix - Tripod Linhof/Schiansky Kugelkopf-Panorama-Stativ, Modell 161 - Rightangle Viewfinder Minolta VN - B+W Greygradientfilter BWG 501 - B+W Circular-Pol-Filter 52E - Photo Bag Crumpler Ben's Pizza XL
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bob955i
Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 2495
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
Focus scale on my Exakta mount copy stops at just under 2' but in practice it seems nearer 18". |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Nice cute lenses, even if they not provide the best quality. Good to see them in action. I just imagine Canonian faces when look these lens on your cam _________________ -------------------------------
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Orio wrote: |
OK the bokeh is not as smooth as Radionar's but it still looks more than acceptable esp. if compared with contemporary lenses. |
Now, let's see, here is my 50mm Summicron at f/2.8, quite good, in my opinion better than the Trioplan:
and the 50mm uncoated Radionar at f/2.9, exposed to somewhat compensate for the 0.6 stop losses:
At close focus, this front cell focusing triplet has a rather Gaussian bokeh, and the objects in the DOF region are soft but have more definite outlines, still recognizable, just gradually melting away with increasing distance. The contrast is lower, which also makes focusing slightly more difficult, especially given the more indefinite focus point.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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Maxim
Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 284 Location: Poland 52°N 17°E
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Maxim wrote:
Thanks for the pictures, Veijo! Your photos represents typical Trioplan characteristics. This lens is very nice - not the sharpest, but with strong character! I hope, I'll grab some Trioplan 2.9/50 with M42 screw. My cousin has two copies in excellent condition, unfortunately with Altix mount _________________ Regards,
Hubert
E-300 + ZD 14-42 + Tessar 5cm/3.5 + Mamiya 55/1.4 + Primoplan V 58/1.9 + Biotar 5.8cm/2 + MC Helios 44M-6 58/2 + Trioplan 100/2.8 + Trioplan V 100/2.8 + "Olympia" Sonnar 180/2.8 + ЮПИТЕР-6 180/2.8 + Telemegor 400/5.5
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Maxim wrote: |
Thanks for the pictures, Veijo! Your photos represents typical Trioplan characteristics. This lens is very nice - not the sharpest, but with strong character! |
There is nothing wrong with the sharpness, but a single coated lens has, of course, lower contrast than a modern MC lens. If you examine the full resolution version of ferry photo very closely, you'll see that the lens has about as much resolution as the 350D can handle or even a little bit more - judging by the Moire, and the very thin white antennas can be discerned at so low contrast that you wouldn't probably see them at all on color neg material. The base full size version hasn't been sharpened at all, but I've also provided a rather gently sharpened version, which would normally be the one to use. The sky was complete overcast so the general contrast level was on the low side - e.g. the men at the lower right corner cast no shadow at all. The distance to the back gate of the ferry is about 800 m, and the distance to the trees and buildings behind the bow of the ferry is about 2.5 - 3 km. The distance to the white pier on the left is about 1.2 km. Except for the contrast, I doubt that any of my 50mm lenses would have done much better because of the limited resolution of the 350D.
Of course, a CZ Planar or Leitz Summicron is much better, but more often than not it makes pretty little difference in practice. You must, however, be rather careful with the Trioplan bokeh, it may get quite wild at times.
Veijo
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D
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Maxim
Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 284 Location: Poland 52°N 17°E
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Maxim wrote:
Thank you for the precise answer, Veijo! You're right, this lens is sharp enough for everyday use. Maybe not as sharp as newer Zeiss or Zuiko lenses, but it's hard to find big differences. CMOS / CCD sensor is the limiter. I think that in sunny days also the contrast should be quite good!
I have longer version (Trioplan 100mm) - it gives similar results. Quite soft when wide open, pretty sharp and more contrasting when stopped down. I wish I have the shorter version (2.9/50). Of course the bokeh sometimes is problematic and dominates on the photos.
My today's photos from Trioplan 2.8/100:
http://forum.mflenses.com/springlike-pictures-taken-with-the-trioplan-2-8-100-t5898.html _________________ Regards,
Hubert
E-300 + ZD 14-42 + Tessar 5cm/3.5 + Mamiya 55/1.4 + Primoplan V 58/1.9 + Biotar 5.8cm/2 + MC Helios 44M-6 58/2 + Trioplan 100/2.8 + Trioplan V 100/2.8 + "Olympia" Sonnar 180/2.8 + ЮПИТЕР-6 180/2.8 + Telemegor 400/5.5
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Not sure I like the OOF rendition, but the lens is surprisingly sharp. Thank you for the clear samples Veijo
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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alexbird
Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 6 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: |
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alexbird wrote:
Just confused what's the difference with meyer Domiplan 2.8/50. They are all 3 elements. Anybody knows? _________________ --
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
alexbird wrote: |
Just confused what's the difference with meyer Domiplan 2.8/50. They are all 3 elements. Anybody knows? |
According to Vade-Mecum, Domiplan is probably a redesign of Trioplan. In practice the differences would almost certainly be negligible.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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dekiller
Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 133 Location: Macao
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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dekiller wrote:
Anybody can tell me the filter size of Trioplan 2.9/50? |
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
small I never measured sorry _________________ -------------------------------
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Orio wrote: |
OK the bokeh is not as smooth as Radionar's. |
Hi Orio.
I had a kodak retina with radionar 2,8/50 and it was ugly image. OK at F/11 and 16. But from 2,8 to 5,6 really bad (my copy, of course) and at 8 good center and bad borders. I note a geat difference, in film, between 3 (Ysarex, vaskar, lanthar, radionar, pantar, etc.) and 4 elements lenses (ektar, skopar, tessar, xenar, etc) specially at corners.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I guess my "E.Ludwig Meritar 2.9/50" is a very similar lens:
_________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
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