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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:04 am Post subject: Are all Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm F3.5 Sonnar lens equal? |
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Oldhand wrote:
The title says it all.
Are all versions of the Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm F3.5 Sonnar lens of equal quality and do they all give equivalent results?
eg are zebra lenses better - later lenses better etc
Very interested to find out.
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:20 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Probably the last ones in PB mount are the best as they have the best coatings. They will have the worst build quality though.
You shouldn't overlook the Russian Sonnars, the J11 and J11A ca be every bit as good as a CZJ Sonnar 135, in fact, my J11 and J11A I felt were both slightly better than my zebra CZJ 3.5/135. The J11 is a copy of the earlier 4/135 Sonnar and I have heard others say the 4/135 is slightly better. There are other, later Russian Sonnars too - Tair 11, J37, and a couple more, they have great reputations too and will have more modern coating, later ones being multicoated. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
No, they are slightly different. I love all of them , may oldest silver what I like best. _________________ -------------------------------
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Thanks for the replies.
Appreciated. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:39 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I tested a load back for fun, and the M42 MC version along with PB version and the Jupiter 11A were best. All are great though!
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=31562 _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
That was a great test.
Thank you for posting it.
OH |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/sonnar/?
You can see here I think all variants of 135mm. _________________ -------------------------------
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Attila wrote: |
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/sonnar/?
You can see here I think all variants of 135mm. |
Very impressive.
Thank you for the link.
Very much appreciated.
Cheers
OH |
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3216 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
My Zebra version was better than the MC version. Better in terms of sharpness and color rendering.
Zebra version, both for 35 and medium format, suffer from the same disease: blades are getting stuck every once in a while. Sometimes in between too
And both are known to be complicated prime lenses in terms of repairing them. _________________ Moderator Himself |
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fermy
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
It's very easy to repair stuck blades on Zebra 135/3.5. You get from the rear, unscrew rear element and you have access to the blades. Mine had a thick layer of dried oil, worse than Russian lenses. In general zebra lubrication sucks, zebra Sonnar rendering is lovely though
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nurkov
Joined: 21 Feb 2013 Posts: 711 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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nurkov wrote:
beautiful colors _________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/34787419@N08/
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RSalles
Joined: 12 Aug 2012 Posts: 1373 Location: Brazil - RS / South
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:49 am Post subject: |
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RSalles wrote:
Fermy,
I could make a poster from this photo, so beauty it is.
Nice one , congrats,
[]s,
Renato |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 2877
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:10 am Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Thanks guys! In fact I did make a poster of it, it's on the door of my dining room _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
I appreciate all the feedback.
Thank you amigos.
OH |
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ramiller500
Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 124 Location: Indianapolis, IN, USA
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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ramiller500 wrote:
For those who can attach Canon FL or FD lenses to their camera bodies, this telephoto lens used essentially the Zeiss Sonnar optical formula and is great and readily available at auction at very reasonable prices:
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/fl/data/100-1200/fl_135_35.html
http://alensaweek.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/week-10-canon-fl-3-5135/ _________________ Sincerely,
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fermy
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Interesting, I have FL 135/3.5, I don't find the rendering similar to my zebra Sonnar. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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ramiller500
Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 124 Location: Indianapolis, IN, USA
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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ramiller500 wrote:
How do the two differ? _________________ Sincerely,
Bob Miller |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 2877
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Canon is a classical portrtait lens. Some under-corrected SA, smooth rendering. I think Zeiss is sharper a tad. Color signatures are different of course. Canon is much better made mechanically, fully metal. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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Srdjan
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 316 Location: Nis
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Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: QBMs |
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Srdjan wrote:
Can anyone compare sonnar MC 3.5 135 M42 and sonnar 2.8 135 (for rollei)? Except second one is faster is there any difference in picture quality of this lenses? It would be also interesting to compare them to tele tessar 4 135 (for rollei)? I recently have to try Voitlander 4 135 (also QBM) it was very nice lens but I have that lens for one day, one of my colleagues ask me to adopt it for digital canon for use. _________________ Perfection is just another type of anomaly |
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evilhomura89
Joined: 09 Feb 2017 Posts: 19
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:08 am Post subject: |
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evilhomura89 wrote:
Does anyone know how many versions of Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm f3.5 are there out there?
I see some with "SONNAR" inscribed fully while some is just a "S" after the red MC inscription on the front. What are the difference? Is the serial number sequence the same for all the different variants?
Which version are you guys having? How's the performance? |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
There is some difference among early F4 version, zebra F4 version and F3.5 MC & F3.5 PB version. Compering only F3.5 models I think MC is the best. Followed by
zebra. PB is good, but coating (admittingly more resilient to cleaning liquids) enhances color / contrast in somehow strange way. Some might like it and it was a applauded in film era, but digital sensor is different story. _________________ ---------------------------------
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:44 am Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
evilhomura89 wrote: |
Does anyone know how many versions of Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm f3.5 are there out there?
I see some with "SONNAR" inscribed fully while some is just a "S" after the red MC inscription on the front. What are the difference? Is the serial number sequence the same for all the different variants?
Which version are you guys having? How's the performance? |
In the wild and wooly post-war years when Zeiss Jena and Zeiss Oberkochen were fighting patent/trademark wars in courts worldwide, the various court decisions meant that CZ Jena had to use different identifiers in different countries. For example, your 'Sonnar' marked lens and your 'S' marked lens could be the same lens with a changed nameplate.
To complicate things further the nameplate differences weren't always factory applied. Often importers would have the lenses changed before sale in a particular country. Common examples of this would be a red 'T' converted into a Cross of Lorraine or a box with a cross inside. All the same lens but different nameplates.
These days I suspect that sample variation has a greater impact than original quality when judging between specific lenses. _________________ Steve
Just an armadillo on the shoulder of the information superhighway. |
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evilhomura89
Joined: 09 Feb 2017 Posts: 19
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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evilhomura89 wrote:
newst wrote: |
In the wild and wooly post-war years when Zeiss Jena and Zeiss Oberkochen were fighting patent/trademark wars in courts worldwide, the various court decisions meant that CZ Jena had to use different identifiers in different countries. For example, your 'Sonnar' marked lens and your 'S' marked lens could be the same lens with a changed nameplate.
To complicate things further the nameplate differences weren't always factory applied. Often importers would have the lenses changed before sale in a particular country. Common examples of this would be a red 'T' converted into a Cross of Lorraine or a box with a cross inside. All the same lens but different nameplates.
These days I suspect that sample variation has a greater impact than original quality when judging between specific lenses. |
Thanks for the clarification.
I've also assumed that anything with the "electric" word on the lens nameplate would have that 3 electric pins behind. However, I've found one of the lens with electric nameplate but without the 3 pins on ebay. Which made me suspect that the particular lens is refurbished using parts from different lenses. I would expect this to have some sort of impact on the image quality. |
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evilhomura89
Joined: 09 Feb 2017 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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evilhomura89 wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
There is some difference among early F4 version, zebra F4 version and F3.5 MC & F3.5 PB version. Compering only F3.5 models I think MC is the best. Followed by
zebra. PB is good, but coating (admittingly more resilient to cleaning liquids) enhances color / contrast in somehow strange way. Some might like it and it was a applauded in film era, but digital sensor is different story. |
I was wondering if you know what is the "correct"/accurate color cast of the good/better coating found on these CZJ 135mm MC lenses. Thank you! |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
evilhomura89 wrote: |
Pancolart wrote: |
There is some difference among early F4 version, zebra F4 version and F3.5 MC & F3.5 PB version. Compering only F3.5 models I think MC is the best. Followed by
zebra. PB is good, but coating (admittingly more resilient to cleaning liquids) enhances color / contrast in somehow strange way. Some might like it and it was a applauded in film era, but digital sensor is different story. |
I was wondering if you know what is the "correct"/accurate color cast of the good/better coating found on these CZJ 135mm MC lenses. Thank you! |
The accurate colour cast is no colour cast at all.
Though the most common cast is either being a bit warmer or cooler than neutral, this is simple to fix in post, Lightroom has an eyedropper WB tool that can remove any colour cast in one click, your AWB in the camera may correct the cast too. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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