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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: 200mm lenses focusing distance Reply with quote
Right now I got 2 200mm MF lenses and for both min focus distance is around 2.5 - 3 m. Do you know what is the shortest distance you can get with old mf lenses? 3m is a bit too much for my liking.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 200mm lenses focusing distance Reply with quote
nurkov wrote:
Right now I got 2 200mm MF lenses and for both min focus distance is around 2.5 - 3 m. Do you know what is the shortest distance you can get with old mf lenses? 3m is a bit too much for my liking.


My Nikkor-Q 200/4 mfd is 2m.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Define "Old" Smile I'm looking at my Vivitar 3.5/200 (70's/early 80's era) and it reads 6 ft (1.8m) minimum...


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
VichySchwa wrote:
Define "Old" Smile I'm looking at my Vivitar 3.5/200 (70's/early 80's era) and it reads 6 ft (1.8m) minimum...


good point, by old I mean pre AF era lets say before 1986.
Is this Vivtar any good ?


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Canon FD 200 f4 Macro Smile

I know it's a macro lens with shallow DOF and not probably what you're looking for but you can get very close Wink

The downside of this lens is its price and availability Wink

tf


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah looking for something rather on a cheap side Smile


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi,

Vivitar 200mm f=3
min distance is 1.2m

Really sharp
Nice bokeh

Only downside at f=3 white areas have a blue glow.

I use it alot myself.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
just seen some pictures and wow this looks amazing


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can put some extension rings or mount the lens on bellows.
That will reduce the minimum focus distance.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Photax 3.5 2.6 m / 7.5 feet
Takumar 4 2.5 m / 8.2 feet
Soligor 4.5 3m / 10 feet

But the metric imperial conversions leave a bit to be desired.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
nurkov wrote:
VichySchwa wrote:
Define "Old" Smile I'm looking at my Vivitar 3.5/200 (70's/early 80's era) and it reads 6 ft (1.8m) minimum...


good point, by old I mean pre AF era lets say before 1986.
Is this Vivtar any good ?


Here are 2 threads regarding Vivitar 200's but the 2nd one is regarding the lens most similar to mine. The presets are from an earlier period...

http://forum.mflenses.com/a-few-photos-with-a-vivitar-200mm-f-3-5-preset-lens-t20502

http://forum.mflenses.com/male-cardinal-and-house-finch-t15701

It appears @ 3.5 not so clean but 5.6 and higher it's nice.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If quickly going from infinity to near focus isn't required, slap a couple macro tubes on the front and you'll get much closer focus. My 400mm focuses no closer than 25 feet, but with a macro tube set the minimum distance is more like 7 feet.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
std wrote:
You can put some extension rings or mount the lens on bellows.
That will reduce the minimum focus distance.


I am aware of this but it's not a route I want to go


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KarelDH wrote:
Hi,

Vivitar 200mm f=3
min distance is 1.2m

Really sharp
Nice bokeh

Only downside at f=3 white areas have a blue glow.

I use it alot myself.


only one on ebay and in FD mount


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't use the super dinarex 4/200. The minimal distance is 8 m. Very Happy


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Novoflex 200mm/4 with its focussing bellow grip ~ 1 meter.
But it is not very small.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Among long focal lengths, min focusing distances :

CZJ Sonnar 2.8/180 : 2,00m
Jupiter-6 2.8/180 : 2,00m

Jupiter-21M 4/200 : 1,80m
Meyer Optik Görlitz Orestegor 4/200 : 2,40m
Prinzflex auto reflex 3.5/200 : 2,70m
Soligor Tele-auto 3.5/200 : 2,40m
Steinheil München Tele-Quinar 4.5/200 : 2,00m

Soligor 4.5/250 : 4,00m...

Taïr-3A 4.5/300 Brussels grand prix 1958 : 3,00m
Taïr-300A 4.5/300 : 2,20m
CZJ MC Sonnar 4/300 : 3,90m

Soligor 6.3/400 : 6,30m...

Tamron AD2 (55B) SP 8/500 Catadioptric : 1,70m

Last edited by Olivier on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:12 pm; edited 2 times in total


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
lol Smile


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know all the 200mm, but the Canon nFD 200mm f4 is probably the smallest, lightest, (cheapest), with the best mfd, among the non-macro 200/4, :
1.5m
121.5mm
440g
(Yep, better than the Nikkors ai/ais Wink

And, yes, there's 2 close focus 200mm, the Vivitar 200/3 and the Tamron 180/2.5, both 1.2m

Then, an intermediate mammoth, the MC SONNAR 2,8/180 CARL ZEISS JENA DDR 1,1kg/1,365kg : mfd 1.7m

All these lenses are great !


2 zooms also offers you a 200mm macro 1:2 (i.e. mfd 0.7m) for a ridiculous price + of course the Vivitar 90/180 (but forget the price unless you're lucky Wink


PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
KarelDH wrote:
Hi,

Vivitar 200mm f=3
min distance is 1.2m

Really sharp
Nice bokeh

Only downside at f=3 white areas have a blue glow.

I use it alot myself.


+1 Except on NEX-5N no CA issues.


PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Phenix jc wrote:
I don't know all the 200mm, but the Canon nFD 200mm f4 is probably the smallest, lightest, (cheapest), with the best mfd, among the non-macro 200/4, :
1.5m
121.5mm
440g


I can't get canon FD because I want to use it on canon eos and adapter has glass element in it


PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I tried some 200 primes (Nikon, Pentacon, Takumar and Yashica DX all f4), Zeiss Sonnar 200/2,8.
Now I have CZ Vario Sonnar 80-200/4 T* which beat all 200s I tried at 200mm
CZ Vario Sonnar 80-200/4 T* has MFD 1 meter. Here's my samples http://ihyaahsani.blogspot.com/2012/09/cz-vario-sonnar-80-2004-t.html


PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
nurkov wrote:
Phenix jc wrote:
I don't know all the 200mm, but the Canon nFD 200mm f4 is probably the smallest, lightest, (cheapest), with the best mfd, among the non-macro 200/4, :
1.5m
121.5mm
440g


I can't get canon FD because I want to use it on canon eos and adapter has glass element in it

Yes. DSLR and mf lenses divorced in my case Wink

IAZA wrote:
I tried some 200 primes (Nikon, Pentacon, Takumar and Yashica DX all f4), Zeiss Sonnar 200/2,8.
Now I have CZ Vario Sonnar 80-200/4 T* which beat all 200s I tried at 200mm
CZ Vario Sonnar 80-200/4 T* has MFD 1 meter. Here's my samples http://ihyaahsani.blogspot.com/2012/09/cz-vario-sonnar-80-2004-t.html

Why am I not surprised...?
I didn't know about the 1m MFD, great stuff.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="Phenix jc"]
nurkov wrote:
Phenix jc wrote:

CZ Vario Sonnar 80-200/4 T* has MFD 1 meter. Here's my samples http://ihyaahsani.blogspot.com/2012/09/cz-vario-sonnar-80-2004-t.html

Why am I not surprised...?
I didn't know about the 1m MFD, great stuff.


That is some lens you have there, the clarity is very impressive.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
My Vivitar (Komine) 200mm 3.5 has MFD of 1.80;
CZJ Sonnar 180mm 2.8 has MFD 1.70m.
But Tamron SP-52A 70-210mm 3.5-4.0 goes byond 1.00m en does 1:2 without extra accessoires. Very nice for € 10.00 on a shrift market:D
But somewhat large and heavy.
I have a Tamron 103A 80-210mm 3.8-4 (smaller and lighter) with MFD 0.90m (1 : 2.8 )
So I think you have to look for some zoom with a good reputation.
The both Tamrons din't cost me too much (the SP was a steal) and the 103A is not much larger then an older 200mm prime.
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