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 Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:28 pm Post subject: Helios 44-2 with examples |
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drjs wrote:
Scored a mint conditioned Helios 44-2 lately. The serial number is N0050799. According to some sources the N00xxx number series were reserved for political figures. Not sure if it is true. Nevertheless, I am enjoying shooting it. Flares easily but bokeh is crazy creamy. Some examples shown here.
Here are some examples shot with the lens.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Helios 44-2 with examples |
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Drack wrote:
A very nice lens you have there. This copy is from the first 2 years of production, when the Helios-44 was changed to 44-2. A rare piece to find in such great shape. It should still be in the M39 mount, right ? If not, then probably someone has changed the mount in later years  .
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| Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Helios 44-2 with examples |
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drjs wrote:
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| A very nice lens you have there. This copy is from the first 2 years of production, when the Helios-44 was changed to 44-2. A rare piece to find in such great shape. It should still be in the M39 mount, right ? If not, then probably someone has changed the mount in later years . |
Hmm.. Mine came with a M42 mount on a Zenit-E camera with the matching leatherette case. The camera was also made in 1971 so I think the mount is original. I will do more research however. Thanks for the comment!
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The 44-2 is my favorite Helios 44. 
Regarding the 00xxx numbering on USSR lenses. This has been discussed in a longer thread here before and concluded with that this looks like false rumors. The amount of lenses with numbers with 0xxxxx, 00xxxx, 000xxx and 0000xx is quite big and there has also been statements from secure sources that this is false information if I remember correct. I guess someone can fill in more details, or the old thread may show up in search. 
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nurkov wrote:
and what are the differences between all of them? I have got Helios 44M 58mm F2.0
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Lloydy wrote:
A fabulous lens, everyone goes on about the swirly bokeh, I rarely see it, just lovely creamy bokeh like your pictures here.
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nurkov wrote:
| Lloydy wrote: |
| A fabulous lens, everyone goes on about the swirly bokeh, I rarely see it, just lovely creamy bokeh like your pictures here. |
Bokeh is weird because you can have very swirly like here:
Or not so much as here:
Both taken with helios 44m 58mm F2.0
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Lloydy wrote:
Yes, I've got a bunch of 44M's and 44-2's and it seems there is a set of circumstances where swirly bokeh happens, but mainly I get creamy. one day I'll grab them all and do some experimenting.
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anktonio wrote:
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| and what are the differences between all of them? I have got Helios 44M 58mm F2.0 |
The differences are in the resolution and the coating. In each version, usually improved, they marked these improvements through the last number, that it is separated by a dash. I have no knowledge that any changes in the optical formula.
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Helios-44
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nurkov wrote:
ok thanks I am pretty pleased with mine no plan to change it plus it was in my family since new. My dad bought it with zenit TTL
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
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| Yes, I've got a bunch of 44M's and 44-2's and it seems there is a set of circumstances where swirly bokeh happens, but mainly I get creamy. one day I'll grab them all and do some experimenting. |
The circumstances to get swirly Helios 44 bokeh are -
wide open
lots of bright and dark spots in the background, e.g. foliage with little bits of sky peeking thru
It only works when focusing at a specific range, I forget exactly but it's fairly close, I found it by turning on Live View and experimenting.
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TrueLoveOne wrote:
Your lens looks like new, and the pictures shown are really sharp. Really nice find!!
I have had several 44M versions, and there is some difference in performance, they don't all produce the same quality.....
The one i have now is sharp, but looks like a train has run over it, i don't mind, it's the final result that counts, and it does swirl!!
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Your lens looks like new, and the pictures shown are really sharp. Really nice find!!
I have had several 44M versions, and there is some difference in performance, they don't all produce the same quality.....
The one i have now is sharp, but looks like a train has run over it, i don't mind, it's the final result that counts, and it does swirl!!
Autumn joy by TrueLoveOne, on Flickr |
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The 44-2 is my favorite Helios 44.
Regarding the 00xxx numbering on USSR lenses. This has been discussed in a longer thread here before and concluded with that this looks like false rumors. The amount of lenses with numbers with 0xxxxx, 00xxxx, 000xxx and 0000xx is quite big and there has also been statements from secure sources that this is false information if I remember correct. I guess someone can fill in more details, or the old thread may show up in search. |
Bummer. I guess I am not a political leader after-all.
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drjs wrote:
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| Lloydy wrote: |
| Yes, I've got a bunch of 44M's and 44-2's and it seems there is a set of circumstances where swirly bokeh happens, but mainly I get creamy. one day I'll grab them all and do some experimenting. |
The circumstances to get swirly Helios 44 bokeh are -
wide open
lots of bright and dark spots in the background, e.g. foliage with little bits of sky peeking thru
It only works when focusing at a specific range, I forget exactly but it's fairly close, I found it by turning on Live View and experimenting.
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I will try under those conditions. Also I wonder if a full frame would be better than APS-C to produce the swirling bokeh. My images are shot on Canon 550D.
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| nurkov wrote: |
| and what are the differences between all of them? I have got Helios 44M 58mm F2.0 |
The differences are in the resolution and the coating. In each version, usually improved, they marked these improvements through the last number, that it is separated by a dash. I have no knowledge that any changes in the optical formula.
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Helios-44
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I also have a Zenitar M2S which is the MC replacement of the Helios-44. The lens is sharp, more flare resistant but doesn't have character like my Helios.
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I will try under those conditions. Also I wonder if a full frame would be better than APS-C to produce the swirling bokeh. My images are shot on Canon 550D. |
Full frame is definitely better, it mostly happens on the edges. But you can still get it on APS-C bodies, my shot was from a Canon 1000D.
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Digitalriver wrote:
not noticed much of a swirly bokeh on my 44/2 , but it does produce it ,its there, all depends on a background I think. |
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TAo2 wrote:
Depending on - Aperture, background, DoF. Defocused background can be as wild....
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Or, as smooth as ye like...
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