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ullaulla
Joined: 16 Mar 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:40 pm Post subject: Help with a Carl Zeiss Jena 5.8cm f/2 T Biotar |
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ullaulla wrote:
Hello,
My father gave me his old Exakta II with this lens:
As far as I can gather from other post on this forum, it's a pre-war 17-blade version, made between 1945 and 1949. Anything else to know about this lens?
The focusing ring is very stiff in the middle of the range - any help on how to loosen it by myself? I know that I could get it checked and cleaned by someone who knows lenses like these, but given I don't know about any local shops in Denmark that would do that, it would probably be quite expensive for me.
Is it worth getting an adapter for a Canon (at the moment a 1Ds III)?
And has anyone tried these lenses for video? The 17-blade aperture with no stops, and a focusing ring with a long throw make it seem like a fun option (if the focusing ring worked better).
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ullaulla
Joined: 16 Mar 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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ullaulla wrote:
Can anyone see the pictures? I could see them when editing the post, but not after I submitted it? |
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fuzzywuzzy
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1258 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
Welcome to the forum!
Your first post can't contain images, as an antispam measure, from now on you'll be fine.
I can't give much advice about the stiff focus, but someone wiser then I will probably post before long. _________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
NEX-F3
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CZJ Sonnar 135/4, Biotar 58/2, Pancolar 50/2, Tessar 50/2.8, Flek 35/2.8, Flek 25/4
Super Takumar 135/2.5, 135/3.5, 100/4 bellows, 50/1.4, 28/3.5
Helios 58/2, 3M-5A 500/8, Mir 20M
Vivitar Series 1 70-210 - - - - - - - - Nikkor 200/4
Rikenon 28/2.8 - - - - - - - - Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar
PB 50/2.4, 135/2.8
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
It's an very good idea to buy an adapter imho
These Biotar lenses have an pretty unique rendering and have a very cool, sometimes slightly swirly bokeh
It's always a matter of taste but I would highly recommend that!
Stiff focus sucks of course - unfortunately there is no easy way to fix that as far as I know.
But it's really worth fixing the lens imo. You could easily resell it without loss afterwards if you don't like it.
You could try to get a Helios 44-2 58mm F2 (optically almost identical, M42 mount) in good contion instead - it's cheap but has a similar character
http://forum.mflenses.com/helios-44-xx-pics-add-yours-t29321.html _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Welcome!
Lens value is 200-300 USD , rare sought after lens, worth to pay proper fixing cost. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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ullaulla
Joined: 16 Mar 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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ullaulla wrote:
Thanks for the replies all
A bit crazy that the value is so high. I'll try to get my hands on an adapter. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
ullaulla wrote: |
Thanks for the replies all
A bit crazy that the value is so high. I'll try to get my hands on an adapter. |
crazy ? how much a new lens what is available in every shop ? respect a bit better historical item like this. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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frenched
Joined: 16 Feb 2013 Posts: 395 Location: MD USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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frenched wrote:
Stiff focus and aperture rings are common with old Zeiss lenses. The oil they used broke down after 30-40 years and left behind the thickening agent which increases friction and gets worse over time. This is a great lens and worth getting it serviced -- you will be delighted. Don't try it yourself. A modern lens of this quality is very expensive. You can find adapters on eBay for just a few dollars. _________________ "Lenses are to be looked through, not looked at."
--Carl Zess Technical Support
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tond
Joined: 12 Jul 2011 Posts: 63 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:12 am Post subject: |
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tond wrote:
Usually this type of the Biotar lies in 3,2xx,xxx-3,4xx,xxx number range.
This 3,1 specimen is quite an early post-war, rarely seen. |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
That it came from family should be reason enough to have it serviced, remember to post pics when you get it back. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
I will echo what others have mentioned - definitely worth having it fix. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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ullaulla
Joined: 16 Mar 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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ullaulla wrote:
Attila wrote: |
ullaulla wrote: |
Thanks for the replies all
A bit crazy that the value is so high. I'll try to get my hands on an adapter. |
crazy ? how much a new lens what is available in every shop ? respect a bit better historical item like this. |
Only crazy in the sense that my father was never much into photography, and hence I'm a bit surprised that he has a lens that is rarer than the common kit lenses that his other stuff is.
That historical lenses can be valuable, is not that surprising
With regards to service, does anyone have a good suggestion to a service lab in Europe that can be recommended with a task like this? Sending it outside Europe will be to expensive with regards to taxes, VAT, etc. |
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JohnBar
Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Posts: 581 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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JohnBar wrote:
http://www.mwcamerarepairs.co.uk/
Miles fixed my Biotar, pretty much the same as yours. _________________ Rectilux 3FF Series single focus anamorphic attachments
http://www.transferconvert.co.uk/cinemania/rectilux-3ff.html
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I have good repair man too, based at Hungary, select what is best for you , thank you for think about rescue _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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ullaulla
Joined: 16 Mar 2013 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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ullaulla wrote:
JohnBar wrote: |
http://www.mwcamerarepairs.co.uk/
Miles fixed my Biotar, pretty much the same as yours. |
Thanks, contacted for a quote |
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enliten
Joined: 20 Sep 2011 Posts: 201 Location: Perth, WA
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Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: |
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enliten wrote:
I recently picked up a post war version for $10, you'll not be disappointed.
good luck with the repairs
-Ben _________________ www.craftedbyben.com
Digital: Canon EOS 7D
Film SLRs: Zenit 122, Nikon F55, Nikon FM2, Pentax Spotmatic, Pentax ME Super, Pentax K1000, Minolta SR1
Rangefinders: Konica Auto S2, Zeiss Ikon Contessa LKE, Zeiss Ikon Continette, Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 521/16, Fed 5B
50's: Super Takumar 50 f1.4, Helios 44-m6,, Minolta MD 50 f1.4, Meyer Optik Oreston 50 f1.8, Olympus 50 f1.4, Industar 55 f2.8 (RF), Jupiter-3 50 f1.5 (RF), Yashinon DS 50 f1.4, Zeiss Jena 50 f2.8, Zeiss Pancolar 50 f1.8
Med Tele: Jupiter-11 135 f4 (RF), Mamiya 120 f4 Macro (645), Meyer Optik Trioplan 100 f2.8, Jupiter-9 85 f2
Tele: Jupiter-21a 200mm f4
Wide: Rikenon 35 2.8, Rikenon 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 24 f2.8, Pentacon 30 f3.5, Enna Werk Munchen Lithagon 35 f4.5
Autofocus: Canon 50 1.8, Sigma 50 1.4, Tokina 11-16 2.8
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l9magen
Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 326 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:58 am Post subject: |
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l9magen wrote:
+1 for quotes - looks like Miles could get busy.
My version is also a 17-blade lens, but someone (sorry, can't see who just now) quoted the serial numbers as indicative of age. Mine lies within the latter end of that range. Is there a site with more information? _________________ Lochlann
Digital Camera: Leica MM246 & M10
RF lenses: Zeiss ZM, assorted Japanese LTMs & Nikkor-S |
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tond
Joined: 12 Jul 2011 Posts: 63 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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tond wrote:
l9magen wrote: |
My version is also a 17-blade lens, but someone (sorry, can't see who just now) quoted the serial numbers as indicative of age. Mine lies within the latter end of that range. Is there a site with more information? |
Carl Zeiss Jena lenses date by serial number
3,000,000-3,200,000: 1945-1949
3,200,000-3,470,000: 1949-1952
3,470,000-4,000,000: 1952-1955
4,000,000-5,000,000: 1955-1958
5,000,000-6,000,000: 1958-1961
6,000,000-7,000,000: 1961-1964
7,000,000-8,000,000: 1964-1967
8,000,000-9,000,000: 1967-1970
9,000,000-10,000,000: 1970-1975 |
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ckrook
Joined: 02 Oct 2012 Posts: 79 Location: Oslo, Norway
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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ckrook wrote:
You can also try http://www.thelensdoctor.co.uk really reasonable prices.
He did some magical work on two of my lenses. |
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l9magen
Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 326 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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l9magen wrote:
Tond,
thanks for the info. Makes mine in the 1952-55 vintage. Looking forward to using it again after some TLC (or CLA). _________________ Lochlann
Digital Camera: Leica MM246 & M10
RF lenses: Zeiss ZM, assorted Japanese LTMs & Nikkor-S |
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Laurentiu Cristofor
Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 524 Location: WA, USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
Thanks for the info, Tonda! Mine is 5,3xx,xxx so it's from 58-61. |
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yesaroos
Joined: 20 Sep 2013 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:35 am Post subject: |
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yesaroos wrote:
Hi, just join the forum..
I acquired the same model as yours in M42 mount recently and been disassembly it to cleaned the oily blades..
The serial is 3113XXX which I supposed came in the same era as yours, came with so so many bubbles.. even there's 1 bubbles exposed in the front element.
In my copy the main body/housing (the part where to put filter on, is actually a single piece that hold everything else and also a helicoid) is made of aluminum not brass as yours.
afaik, brass helicoid is better than aluminum.. wonder if the version for Exakta is better in material and quality..
Anyway, in this design Zeiss use 2 screw that functioned as helicoid guides and also a stopper that may came to loose so it get frictioned with the body or the outer casing (the one with hyperfocal marks).. in your case, this might be the problem that cause the focusing ring is stiff in the middle of the range.
To fix this, you can detach the casing by unscrew 3 tiny screw and you'll see the stopper.
adjust so it won't get friction with the body or casing, put some sticky grease to hold it if you want and your done..
but if that not the case, better sent it for repair because the helicoid likely need to re-lube.
hope this can help.. |
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