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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:21 am Post subject: How to know a lens is gray market or not? |
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hoanpham wrote:
I had bad experience about gray item earlier: guarantee is not world wide, but by the seller/store only.
DOA, and shipping cost on me, store wont ship to certain countries, etc.
But is there a real concern regarding quality?
How can i see it is a gray item?
Example, nikkor 85/1.4 AF D? _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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David
Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 1869 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:46 am Post subject: |
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David wrote:
I've heard the term gray market as meaning an item of suspect origin. Is that what you mean in this context?
If the items comes with a guarantee, I'd be curious how it would be a gray market item. Perhaps my concept of the gray market is incorrect, but I think of it being used resellers without shops or a business infrastructure. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/hancockDavidM |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:49 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Google for feedback of your shop
I have good experience with most sellers wich don't offer warranty. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:11 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Gray market down here, usually means it's the same Brand item only cheaper...but with no real warranty or guarantee given. I bought a Pentax battery grip for at least $20-$30 cheaper than if I had bought it from a Pentax seller/store.
I guess it depends on how much money you pay for the particular item as to whether you take the NO warranty risk. This battery grip was bought in Australia from an Australian seller.Where other Gray market items would be if I bought them from Hong Kong etc....and had them posted to me. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
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Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
Gray market as I understand means no warranty/ guarantee in the country you are in. For example, a US original set means it carries warranty in US. But if it goes out to US, this means it is a gray set. One will not be able to claim warranty out of US. The way a gray set claims warranty (if any) is to send back to the original country. This is why the store or shop charges the postage. Then again, a lot of shops will tell you there is no warranty out front for gray set. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:32 am Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
Thank you all for your input.
As I understand, for the items selling from USA, there are 3 categories:
- store guarantee only, which also mean grey items
- US guarantee, which can be white items but limited sale/price in one region, and
- International guarantee.
Also buyer can purchase extra 'guarantee/insurance' for additional/extended time.
From big stores locally, I had been told that gray items can be
- white items that the store bought in from a brand/maker with discount priced, large quantity, or
- less qualified items during QA control and therefore sold as-is to whoever can provide a fair guarantee.
In used market, it might be important to find out about the quality of grey items.
Nikon, Sigma has grey items for sale. Perhaps other brand as well. _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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