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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: Just bought me a Nikkor AI 35-70mm f3.5 (constant aperture) |
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peterm1 wrote:
The Nikkor AI 35-70mm f3.5 is a pretty nice looking lens and I believe it is sharp at pretty well all settings only surpassed by the AIS version (and everyone says - but only very slightly.) I am awaiting its arrival but would be interested to hear from anyone who has experience of this lens. From what i have read and seen, it has typical Nikon build quality of the 1980s for Nikon pro and near pro lenses- in other words it looks to be superbly crafted. These lenses are quite cheap due to their small zoom range and manual focusing but they are certainly nice. _________________ PeterM |
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Just bought me a Nikkor AI 35-70mm f3.5 (constant apertu |
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Richard_D wrote:
peterm1 wrote: |
The Nikkor AI 35-70mm f3.5 is a pretty nice looking lens and I believe it is sharp at pretty well all settings only surpassed by the AIS version (and everyone says - but only very slightly.) I am awaiting its arrival but would be interested to hear from anyone who has experience of this lens. From what i have read and seen, it has typical Nikon build quality of the 1980s for Nikon pro and near pro lenses- in other words it looks to be superbly crafted. These lenses are quite cheap due to their small zoom range and manual focusing but they are certainly nice. |
I've not used it, but it has a good reputation for sharpness and low distortion spoilt only by being a little susceptible to flare.
Have you seen this review:
http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_zoom_02.html#MF35-70f3.5(72) _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
More to come... |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
I have its successor the (ahem) AF 35-70/2,8 and it is one of the best zooms ever made. Sharp pretty much through the range. I believe the 3.5 AI and AIS versions were also very sharp.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Samples please........ _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
OK everyone thanks for the input. Attila I will provide samples but the lens will not arrive for perhaps a week. As soon as I get it I will post some test shots.
I was hoping people would confirm that it is sharp and this seems to be the concensus so that makes me happy.
RichardD I should have thought of the site you provided the link for but had momentarily forgotten about its existence. Interesting that he rates the earlier lens (which I have bought ) as better than the later one. Most other testers claim the later one with the slim barrel to be slightly better.
I am pleased with this as quite apart from the sharpness which of course is the main consideration I like the look of this monster with its 72mm filter mount - I have a thing about big lenses.
Patrick I have been considering getting the AF 2.8 version for some time and no doubt will do so one day as EVERYONE raves about it. Apart from its limited range I have never heard a bad thing said about it. But at $139 Australian this one was a bit of a bargain compared with the AF 2.8 which seems to go for around $400 US on eBay if its in excellent condition. Like most here I do not mind owning multiple versions of the same basic lens as its fun to shoot and compare. (Modification of an old saying..... Whoever dies with the most lenses, wins.)
I recently also bought the very cheap 35-70mm f 3.3 -4.5 in Nikkor AF mount. It cost me all of about $35. It was a bit of an experiment because i had read that shot in aperture priority mode and stopped down to f5.6 or lower this was a sharp lens. And sure enough it turns out it is. It produces, sharp, nice looking images with very nice color. I have not had time to check Bokeh yet. For anyone who is willing to try it, its a bit of a sleeper - one of those common lenses that is a bit despised because its cheap and cheap because its despised but in reality quite OK.
Incidentally I do not find the 35-70 range to be too limiting even with digital. It gives some flexibility - enough I find and the rest I provide by moving myself if I need to. People who regard 35-70 as being out of the question are fooling themselves. For someone who shoots with a prime, even a modest zoom range is a useful change and in any event the main thing is the image quality. _________________ PeterM |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I am so curious I completely passed Nikkor zooms. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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bob955i
Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 2495
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
PeterM wrote: |
Incidentally I do not find the 35-70 range to be too limiting even with digital. It gives some flexibility - enough I find and the rest I provide by moving myself if I need to. People who regard 35-70 as being out of the question are fooling themselves. For someone who shoots with a prime, even a modest zoom range is a useful change and in any event the main thing is the image quality. |
Bit OT but I agree about 35-70 - I used a Sigma Zoom Master 2.8-4/35-70 as my main lens on my BC-1 for twenty years as it covered nearly all my requirements apart from super wide.
I liked that little lens so much I even went so far as to pick up another one in M42 for the Bessaflex.... |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
While you are at it - keep an eye out for the nikkor 50-135/3,5 AIS. Another of the famous "sleeper" lenses. Very sharp through most of its zoom range. And the fixed 3.5 is very acceptable. Also it's not a monster for size (62mm filter).
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
While you are at it - keep an eye out for the nikkor 50-135/3,5 AIS. Another of the famous "sleeper" lenses. Very sharp through most of its zoom range. And the fixed 3.5 is very acceptable. Also it's not a monster for size (62mm filter).
patrickh |
I will do this. I have seen them on eBay and my interest has been piqued already. I should have mentioned that I have also just bought the famous Nikkor 80-200 f4.5 in AI mount. It cost me under $40 plus postage. This lens seems to be better regarded than its replacement, the F4 version although I think even its most ardent admirers would admit they are splitting hairs. I have shot a couple of informal shots with it but will try to do a more robust series of tests this weekend. At first blush it looks pretty good.
Attilla You really should try Nikon glass. Most is very good and some is downright excellent including some early lenses such as the 24mm f2.8, the 50mm f2 and f1.4 the 105mm f2.5, the 135mm f3.5 and f2.8, the 180 f2.8 etc. Most of these - especially the earlier ones, can be had for a song. The later AI ones can be a bit more expensive as you can use them on Nikon digitals, so they are in more demand but if you are using another camera body (e.g. a Canon or Olympus) with an adapter, whether any given lens is AI or non AI does not matter in many cases (although there are some that had improved optical formulas with later lenses and or the use of multi coating and are recognised as being slightly better performers.) _________________ PeterM
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Peter, I passed only Nikkor zooms, I have many Nikkor primes, I sold some but I kept the best ones like 34mm f1.4,105mm f1.8, Micro Nikkor 200mm f4 etc. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Peter, I passed only Nikkor zooms, I have many Nikkor primes, I sold some but I kept the best ones like 34mm f1.4,105mm f1.8, Micro Nikkor 200mm f4 etc. |
OK understood. There are also many good examples of zooms including the ones I mentioned. _________________ PeterM |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I am curious I have no experience with them. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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peterm1
Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 224
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
Attilla this is typical of their better MF zoom lenses. You can pretty much see the quality and precision just by looking at them
_________________ PeterM |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Very nice looking lens and looks well built as all Nikkor. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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peterm1
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
For anyone interested, here is what Ken Rockwell had to say.......
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/35-70mm-35-ai.htm
and about the later AIS version.................................................
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/35-70mm-35-ais.htm _________________ PeterM |
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peterm1
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
Whoooeeee. The 35-70 Nikkor f3.5 has just arrived. Looks nice. Pretty good condition, and a very good looking lens in terms of its design and build.
Its got an odd but rather pleasant way of zooming that I do not hink I have seen in any other lens. It does not exactly have internal focussing: the front element still moves in and out, but it moves in and out within the outer shell of the lens so the lens' actual length does not change overall. So when its set on 35 (or is it 70) the front element is well inside the outer shell of the lens which acts as a kind of hood. ( A bit like some macor lenses that have a front element buried way deep in the body of the lens.) Never the less there is a hood for this...now all I have to do is to hunt one down as the lens has a reputation of being a flare monster. This being about its only recorded sin. _________________ PeterM |
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peterm1
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
Whoooeeee. The 35-70 Nikkor f3.5 has just arrived. Looks nice. Pretty good condition, and a very good looking lens in terms of its design and build.
Its got an odd but rather pleasant way of zooming that I do not hink I have seen in any other lens. It does not exactly have internal focussing: the front element still moves in and out, but it moves in and out within the outer shell of the lens so the lens' actual length does not change overall. So when its set on 35 (or is it 70) the front element is well inside the outer shell of the lens which acts as a kind of hood. ( A bit like some macor lenses that have a front element buried way deep in the body of the lens.) Never the less there is a hood for this...now all I have to do is to hunt one down as the lens has a reputation of being a flare monster. This being about its only recorded sin. _________________ PeterM |
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