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Orio
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Distagon 18mm f/4 |
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Orio wrote:
After more than 1 year of tentatives, and 2 returned purchases, I have been finally able to find one sharp copy of Contax Distagon 18mm.
After my previous experiences I decided that I needed to buy this lens only locally, so I could try before buy.
This copy is not perfect, it has a little coating erasure on the rear lens, no doubt (it is my opinion) caused by a tentative of using this lens with an unshaved 5D (the owner of the lens has a 5D).
However, after torture-testing against the sun, I verified that the coating problem does not affect the picture. I also verified that this is by far the sharpest copy of this lens that I have tried so far. So I decided to ignore the coating thing and buy it.
Here's a sample photo taken with the Distagon 18 wide open.
Photo is full frame 5D.
First full resized, then 100% crop:
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Wow ! Great capture ! Crop is fantastic! _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Wow ! Great capture ! Crop is fantastic! |
Think that it's wide open! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Abbazz
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 1098 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Abbazz wrote:
Amazing, Orio. I have never seen a lens shorter than 20mm capable of taking pictures like that wide open .
Cheers!
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Nelson
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
This is sensational. Also a very nice picture, but the image quality is really striking me. _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
How say other fact THE LENS is CARL ZEISS _________________ -------------------------------
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
My 50mm F2,8 Tessar (Carl Zeiss Jena) is far from that image quality. the other point is that I love wide angle so much. It´s so much more presence, it´s so immediate, I feel much more as if I was there, compared to 50mm and above. _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Impressive indeed (but not surprising, after all it's a Zeiss lens).
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
congrats Orio!
impressive 18mm F4 _________________ T* |
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Finally a keeper 18 f4. I have had that lens as well in the past. My copy was squishy soft until f8 with weak corners. I never got anything close to this sharp wide open. Congrats Orio. I hope the price was right. Ignore the "S" distortion it is a distagon signature for shortest FL. I would suggest to do the white wall vignette test just to be sure. |
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Finally a keeper 18 f4. I have had that lens as well in the past. My copy was squishy soft until f8 with weak corners. I never got anything close to this sharp wide open. Congrats Orio. I hope the price was right. Ignore the "S" distortion it is a distagon signature for shortest FL. I would suggest to do the white wall vignette test just to be sure. |
Corners are soft and vignetting in my copy too. You can see the vignetting in the full image resize of my cat picture. The performance wide open is excellent for me in the near focus range, as you can see from the crop. I would rate it average at infinity, for what I could test. I think this lens will provide the optimum performance when photographing interiors, as the sharpness in the near range is remarkable. Under this respect, it is very similar to how the Nikkor 3.5/20mm performs: excellent in near range, average at infinity.
By f/8, however, both the Nikkor and the Distagon become very good also at infinity, as you pointed out.
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Important info, my copy is MM, made in Japan. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Here is, for comparison, the same scene shot stopped down:
Unfortunately, due to stopping down, I had to lenghten shutter time, so the cat came out blurred.
Anyway you can see from the full shot that the vignetting is gone and the definition in the corners is also clear.
The centre with the main subject has not really gained in sharpness. We can imagin that if it was not blurred, the sharpness would have been similar to the wide open shot. What is clear is that here we earned more DOF, as we can see from the trees in the BG.
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patrickh
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Orio
That is a completely extraordinary lens. Your persistence has clearly paid off. Vignetting on digital is almost a non-issue, since it is so easy to correct (wasn't actually difficult even with film). Distortion is always a much bigger issue, and it seems that this lens is wonderfully constrained.
patrickh
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
Orio
That is a completely extraordinary lens. Your persistence has clearly paid off. Vignetting on digital is almost a non-issue, since it is so easy to correct |
Yes, also, I will seldom use the lens wide open. I always use super wides stopped down. Often down to minimum aperture, as I like to see "infinite" DOF (which of course is not, only feels like).
However, there are people like Simon who like the vignetting as expressive feature, so I think this lens would have a use in that regards, since all superwides vignette wide open, but few of them are so sharp wide open.
I actually am not an enemy of vignetting per se, I sort of like it also when it happens. I have a "cultural resistance" in applying it with software where it was not there originally, but that's more my own problem than a real one. If vignetting is part of how the photo turned out in that moment, I tend to keep it (unless really obnoxious).
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PS I would offer to adopt your cat..... |
My house maid and her son say that too But Melissa wants only me, when she tries to give her a kiss, Melissa stretches away _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
This one (also crop) is still blurred, but a bit better focused
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Distortion: the verticals are not as pure as in the Flek 4/20, but, based on the reports, I was fearing worse than this. While in fact I find them more than acceptable. I can perceive only a very faint hint of S distortion in the rightmost wall. For the rest of the buildings, it is virtually unnoticeable:
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Ballu
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Ballu wrote:
Amazing lens...
Is it not 80mm... where is the distortion.. _________________ -Ballu
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Orio this distortion is really very, very acceptable. The reports I have read and, some other samples I have seen were not as good as what you are showing here. Once again congratulations. You have a nice copy from these examples. It would be great for you and Simon to meet up and compare the distagon 18 with the zuiko 18. |
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Ballu wrote: |
Amazing lens...
are its not 80mm... |
Yes, if it wasn't for the type of bokeh, which gives it away immediately, the crops could really be mistaken for a sharp tele work
Ballu wrote: |
where is the distortion.. |
Well, there's a little moustache in the rightmost bulding, if you look at the lines (both of building and of the wire), you can see a slight "belly" in the middle, then two slightly depressed areas near, then both edges rise slightly again.
But it's really noticeable only if you look closely for it. Any casual viewing would not notice it. I guess we can call it so minimal to be "virtually meaningless".
For sure, people accustomed to zooms would never notice it! Even the best of zooms distorts much more than this.
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Orio
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Orio this distortion is really very, very acceptable. The reports I have read and, some other samples I have seen were not as good as what you are showing here. Once again congratulations. You have a nice copy from these examples. |
Yes, I think I've been lucky this time around.
F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
It would be great for you and Simon to meet up and compare the distagon 18 with the zuiko 18. |
Well, MTFs show that Zuiko is the best 18mm.
However, copy variation may influence the single comparisons.
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
The distortion is more than just acceptable, it is amazingly little for an 18mm lens!! (My Cosina 20mm shows a much higher one. Without PS tricks, they really can disturb.) _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Richard_D
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
I really like the 3D effect wide open.
Nice shots. _________________ Richard
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BobDodds
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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BobDodds wrote:
That's a fine lens. Distortion is not a problem.
Vignetting would be eliminated by my 1.7x crop camera, a Sigma SD14.
The cat's eye at 100% crop shows the lens is unbeatable. The realism due to sharpness and contrast in the buildings pic is also what I am looking for in a lens, and distortion not a problem there. |
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