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QBM HFT Rolleinar 3,2-4,5/28-105mm a KIRON made lens?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: QBM HFT Rolleinar 3,2-4,5/28-105mm a KIRON made lens? Reply with quote

Click here to see on Ebay.de
or
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/punchbowl-2196/non-digital-cameras/rolleiflex-sl-35e-with-hft-rolleinar-f3-2-4-5-28-105-macro-zoom-l/1004856769


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamiya like the other Rolleinars.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Mamiya like the other Rolleinars.


You must be wrong. See the Kirons (it's the one on the left):


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK, all Rolleinar zooms (and the 500/8 Reflex mirror lens) were manufactured by Tokina.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aoleg wrote:
AFAIK, all Rolleinar zooms (and the 500/8 Reflex mirror lens) were manufactured by Tokina.


Not sure about that, the 4/80-200 Rolleinar is the same lens as the 4/80-200 Mamiya.

The Rolleinar primes are definitely Mamiyas.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aoleg wrote:
AFAIK, all Rolleinar zooms (and the 500/8 Reflex mirror lens) were manufactured by Tokina.

I thought that too, and was thinking the lens selling on Ebay is faked Rolleinar. But i found other samples the lens exists. Since i have Kiron in question it surely seems the same lens.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It definately looks like Kiron. The question is about coating - did they really apply their HFT coating to Kiron glasses or just put HFT letteres on the lens barrel?


PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is your answer:

Quote:
From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000
From: Marc James Small msmall@roanoke.infi.net
Subject: [Rollei] QBM LENSES: Yabe and All the Rest!

Per Prochnow:

Manufactured by Zeiss:

3.5/15 Distagon
2.8/16 F-Distagon
4/18 Distagon
2.8/25 Distagon
2/28 Distagon
1.4/35 Distagon
2.8/35 Distagon
1.8/50 Planar (also under "Opton" brand)
1.4/50 Planar (also under "Opton" brand)
2.8/60 S-Planar
1.4/85 Planar
2.8/85 Sonnar
2.8/135 Sonnar
4/135 Tele-Tessar
4/200 Tele-Tessar
4.5/500 Mirotar
8/1000 Tele-Tessar
5.6/1000 Mirotar


Designed by Zeiss but built by Rollei either in Singapore or Braunschweig:

(note: some of these were also offered in M42 but I'll look that up some other time!)

2.8/25 Distagon
2.8/35 Distagon (also as Voigtlander Color-Skoparex and as 'Ifbagon')
1.8/50 Planar (also as Voigtlander Color-Ultron)
1.4/50 Planar
2.8/85 Sonnar (also as Voigtlander Color-Dynarex)
2.8/135 Sonnar (also as Voigtlander Color-Dynarex)
4/135 Tele-Tessar (also as Voigtlander Color-Skoparex)
4/200 Tele-Tessar (also as Voigtlander Color-Dynarex)

Manufactured by Rollei:
Night Observation Device RF 900
Modular Night Observation Device RF 100
Night Vision System SL 2000F

Manufactured by Joseph Schneider Kreuznach:
2.8/28 PC-Super-Angulon
2.8/35 Angulon
4/35 PC-Curtagon
1.8/50 Xenon
3.5/135 Tele-Xenar


Manufactured by Mamiya:
3.5/14 Fish-Eye Mamiya-Sekor (also as the Voigtlander Color F-Skoparex AR)
4/21 Super-Wide-Angle Mamiya-Sekor (also as the Voigtlander Color Skoparex
AR)
2.8/28 Wide-Angle Mamiya-Sekor (two different versions)
(also as the Voigtlander Color Skoparex AR)
2.8/35 Wide-Angle Mamiya-Sekor (also as the Voigtlander Color Skoparex AR)
3.5/50 Makro Mamiya-Sekor
2/50 Mamiya Sekor (also as the Voigtander Color Ultron AR)
1.4/55 Mamiya-Sekor (also as the Voigtlander Color Ultron AR)
2.8/85 Mamiya-Sekor (also as the Voigtlander Color Dynarex AR)
2.8/105 Mamiya-Sekor (also as the Voigtlander Color Dynarex AR)
2.8/135 Mamiya-Sekor (also as the Voigtlander Color Dynarex AR)
3.5/200 Mamiya-Sekor (also as the Voigtlander Color Dynarex AR)
4/80-200 Mamiya Zoom


Manufactured by Kiron:
2.8/105 Kiron
3.2-4.5/28-105 Kiron Zoom

Manufactured by Sigma:
3.5-4.5/28-80 Sigma Zoom
3.5-4.5/70-210 Sigma Apo Zoom

Manufactured by Tokina:
5.6/400 Tokina (also as the Voigtlander Color Dynarex AR)
8/500 Tokina Mirror Lens (also as the Voigtlander Reflex Dynar AR)
4/28-85 Tokina Zoom Objective (also as the Voigtlander Vario-Skoparex AR)
3.5-4.3/35-105 Tokina SMZ Zoom (also as the Voigtlander Vario-Dynar-AR Macro)
4/80-200 Tokina Zoom (also as the Voigtlander Vario-Dynar AR)
4-5.6/50-250 Tokina Zoom AT-X
2.8/80-200 Tokina Zoom AT-X


Manufactured by Yabe:
2X Tele-Converter

Marc

msmall@roanoke.infi.net


I had the Mamiya 4/80-200 and the Tokina made 4/80-200, both are very good, better than other 80-200s I've tried, the Mamiya was the better of the two and very close to the superb Konica UC Zoom-Hexanon 80-200.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice find, thanks Ian.

I assume you don't mean Osawa Mamiya E series? http://www.thecamerasite.net/08_Accessories_Lenses/Pages/lenses.htm
Can you show photo of Mamiya 80-200mm? I can't find it. I wonder if it is also made by Tokina.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the Mamiya 3.8/80-200:

http://mamiya-nc-m42.mflenses.com/cs_80-200_3.8.htm


PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dimitrygo wrote:
It definately looks like Kiron. The question is about coating - did they really apply their HFT coating to Kiron glasses or just put HFT letteres on the lens barrel?

Kiron's purple would probably comply with HFT standards Wink.

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
This is the Mamiya 3.8/80-200:
http://mamiya-nc-m42.mflenses.com/cs_80-200_3.8.htm

Not Tokina that's for sure. I doubt Mamiya itself made those exclusively. I wonder the real manufacturer.


PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Mamiya probably did make it, it's not so clear from that picture, but it's a quite distinctive looking lens quite unlike any other maker's zoom I've seen.

This Kiron made 3.8/75-205 is sort of similar looking: