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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Nice find! Hard to imagine how one character miss from there , probably fake this one come to my mind first.
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Oreste
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Oreste wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Nice find! Hard to imagine how one character miss from there , probably fake this one come to my mind first. |
I doubt that. It's hard to fake this, I should think. And why fake such a mundane lens? |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Does this suggest Leitz quality control is not as great as the marketing says? 
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Oreste
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Oreste wrote:
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| Does this suggest Leitz quality control is not as great as the marketing says? |
I think this is easy enough to explain! I believe these are Bierfehler! |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Lens come from Israel , not place of trust... why fake , to fetch higher price as rarity. I think in factory name plate make at one step with a special tool. Not hand print each one by man like old time serial numbers, I not see how can one letter is missing, perhaps just manipulated pictures.
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Oreste
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Oreste wrote:
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| Lens come from Israel , not place of trust... why fake , to fetch higher price as rarity. I think in factory name plate make at one step with a special tool. Not hand print each one by man like old time serial numbers, I not see how can one letter is missing, perhaps just manipulated pictures. |
Seller has 99.8% positive feedback. I do not suspect him. |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
| Oreste wrote: |
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| Lens come from Israel , not place of trust... why fake , to fetch higher price as rarity. I think in factory name plate make at one step with a special tool. Not hand print each one by man like old time serial numbers, I not see how can one letter is missing, perhaps just manipulated pictures. |
Seller has 99.8% positive feedback. I do not suspect him. |
Sellers buy stuff and not expert at every area, they can sell fake even without know it.
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hoanpham wrote:
Walmart !
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Lloydy wrote:
With a modern CNC machine a new ring with the miss-spelling would be easy, especially if the factory was already making similar products.
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Attila wrote:
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| Walmart ! |
New Chinese made Leica hit the market ?! 
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Hari
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Hari wrote:
BEWARE!!! this seller XRSONYA is a cheat and a scamster.
Look what he did to me, him as a buyer -> http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=28940&start=15
edited to include sellers name in the post
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Damn , sorry to hear Hari.
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Hari
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Hari wrote:
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| Damn , sorry to hear Hari. |
I never got so angry with anybody ... this guy is the limit!
imagine losing the equipment and the money to him and then seeing him sell your equipment on ebay and you're helpless because to ebay, the buyer is king!!!
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Attila wrote:
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| Damn , sorry to hear Hari. |
I never got so angry with anybody ... this guy is the limit!
imagine losing the equipment and the money to him and then seeing him sell your equipment on ebay and you're helpless because to ebay, the buyer is king!!! |
Yes, hard to find more rotten guy than this one, I thought at first time once I see missing letter from lens, something is not right and you did confirm it well. Your story exactly shows what is terrible wrong with Ebay.
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I have to say that Attila is phenomenal in sniffing out scammers. To me Walmarit, Elmar T or El mart is not worth more than Elmarit, but superficially the story of rare Leitz gaffe looked plausible. Now after Hari's message I am absolutely convinced that they simply machined a new ring and put it on a "cheap" lens to improve the value.
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Mos6502 wrote:
I think the story of a missing I is really suspicious. It would be astonishing that an engraver would miss the I in the first place, even more astonishing that letters would be filled in if the I was missing - and unbelievably astonishing that it'd be allowed to leave the Leitz factory like that. I might buy this story on an Argus, but it is far too wacky for a Leitz product. German quality control would never let something like that slip by even if the engraver didn't notice. |
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Oreste wrote:
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| I think the story of a missing I is really suspicious. It would be astonishing that an engraver would miss the I in the first place, even more astonishing that letters would be filled in if the I was missing - and unbelievably astonishing that it'd be allowed to leave the Leitz factory like that. I might buy this story on an Argus, but it is far too wacky for a Leitz product. German quality control would never let something like that slip by even if the engraver didn't notice. |
It's interesting any way you look at it! |
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mo wrote:
I have an Angenieux 28/3.5 engraved with Rrance instead of France would that be a fake?Although the engraving is on the barrel not the name ring.
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calvin83 wrote:
The quality of the white painting in the name ring is not as good as other copies so this one must be made in a secret factory! 
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IAZA wrote:
Really sorry to hear Hari's story. but thanks for warning us. I watched his item in past. glad I didnt buy it.
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Farside wrote:
Heh. I sent him a question asking if he was still lying cheating scum.
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And he replied...
"how dare you to call me names like you did? you don't know me..rot in hell."
Frankly, I'm quite glad I don't know him and it will be a long time he will have in hell for ripping people off.
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