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Victor Nguyen
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
I'm thinking if I should get a kiron 105 even though I already have the nikkor 55. I'm just scared that I'm mostly going to use the kiron and let my nikkor 55 gather dust.
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Lightshow
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Lightshow wrote:
The 105 will give you more working room than the 55, they could be a great 2 lens kit, and both should be sharp.
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IAZA
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IAZA wrote:
different FL mean different purpose. 105mm to catch shy insect, keep farther distance. But longer lens make focusing more difficult.
I have Kiron 105 and Volna 50/2,8. and there's Rodenstock rodagon enlarger for macro which is excellent. redundant? so what? each lenses has different character 
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WolverineX wrote:
ahem,redundant to have 2 macro lens? never!  i have 18 different dedicated macro lenses not counting close focusing ones and always looking for more
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patrickh wrote:
+1 - I have several plus many enlarging lenses. Each is different
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Lloydy wrote:
You can never have too many......
That's the pleasure, trying different lenses and comparing them, picking a lens to suit your needs.
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| WolverineX wrote: |
| ahem,redundant to have 2 macro lens? never! i have 18 different dedicated macro lenses not counting close focusing ones and always looking for more |
Pretty much the same here, I've already lost count.
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Oreste
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Oreste wrote:
| Lloydy wrote: |
You can never have too many......
That's the pleasure, trying different lenses and comparing them, picking a lens to suit your needs. |
Correct. I have several telephoto lenses close in focal length. |
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TijmenDal
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TijmenDal wrote:
I don't think anyone on this forum is going to tell you it's redundant to have the same focal length twice or the same lens type (Macro in this case) twice. Most people on here have at least ten 50mm's and a couple 135mm's and they don't seem to mind.
Personally I don't like having the same focal length (nor can I afford it really...), so I just buy and sell them to test them out. That way I get to shoot with a lot of different lenses, but don't have a lot of lenses sitting on my shelf unused.
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different FL mean different purpose. 105mm to catch shy insect, keep farther distance. But longer lens make focusing more difficult.
I have Kiron 105 and Volna 50/2,8. and there's Rodenstock rodagon enlarger for macro which is excellent. redundant? so what? each lenses has different character |
+1 easier to shoot with shorter focal length and not easy to handle 1:1 macro at all.
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s58y wrote:
I don't think you have a serious macro lens problem until the total number gets up past 50 or even 100. 
The shorter ones are good for higher magnifications (up to 5x or more), and the longer ones give you nice working distance, but normally at a lower magnification.
(BTW, I have 12 bellows-type macro lenses and 9 "regular" ones, from 20 to 200mm focal length.)
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Oreste wrote:
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I don't think you have a serious macro lens problem until the total number gets up past 50 or even 100.
The shorter ones are good for higher magnifications (up to 5x or more), and the longer ones give you nice working distance, but normally at a lower magnification.
(BTW, I have 12 bellows-type macro lenses and 9 "regular" ones, from 20 to 200mm focal length.) |
I never was interested in macro work. I prefer people. |
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hifisapi
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:32 am Post subject: different focal lengths, different purposes |
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hifisapi wrote:
I have Pentax macro lenses, both 50 and 100mm fl. I use both. the 50 is good for general purpose and larger items
whereas the 100mm is good for tiny items.
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Victor Nguyen
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
I just bought this http://www.ebay.com/itm/320978275006?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
I just want to let you guys know that I hate you all very much, and you'll make me go broke.
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IAZA
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IAZA wrote:
hey...Kiron Price's always high
you might want to check Volna9 55/2,8 too  , it give smooth and star shape bokeh
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hifisapi wrote:
I also have the lester dine kiron 105mm f2.8 lens and its killer sharp. goes to 1:1.
enjoy yours!
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Victor Nguyen
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
I have heard people that can shoot higher than 1:1. how do you do it? use a extension tube? magnifier so it double my focal length?
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Kram wrote:
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| ahem,redundant to have 2 macro lens? never! i have 18 different dedicated macro lenses not counting close focusing ones and always looking for more |
I'd love to see an overview and your comments on your favorite five. |
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WolverineX
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WolverineX wrote:
| Victor Nguyen wrote: |
| I have heard people that can shoot higher than 1:1. how do you do it? use a extension tube? magnifier so it double my focal length? |
ways to get magnification higher than 1:1 are:
-using extensions tubes
-using macro teleconverter
-using macro bellows
-reversing the lens (either on it's own or attaching second lens reversed on another lens)
-adding diopter lenses
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WolverineX
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WolverineX wrote:
| Kram wrote: |
| WolverineX wrote: |
| ahem,redundant to have 2 macro lens? never! i have 18 different dedicated macro lenses not counting close focusing ones and always looking for more |
I'd love to see an overview and your comments on your favorite five. |
that would be an undertaking making side-by-side comparison of all my lenses that can do macro...well, i'm that nuts, that i might just do that
at the moment my top 5 dedicated macro lenses wolud be:
Olympus 90mm/2 - i believe fastest macro lens around in it's focal length, only wished it did 1:1 natively
Olympus 50mm/2 - same as above , can double as regular prime lens
Vivitar 90mm/2.8 - goes 1:1, has a long focusing throw that allows very fine tuned focusing
Macro-Takumar 50mm/4 - smallest macro lens i have along it's successor Super-Macro-Takumar, but this one goes natively to 1:1 and Super-Macro-Takumar doesn't
Yashinon 60mm/2.8 - goes 1:1 , made by Tomioka and has a well deserved reputation
honorable mention:
Micro-Nikkor 200mm/4 - longest macro lens i have, can double as a long telephoto, gives good working distance, but goes only to 1:2
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: enlarging lenses on bellows tough to beat |
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hifisapi wrote:
I have a pentax m42 bellows and have adapted some enlarging lenses for macro shooting.
the most incredible sharpness I have ever seen was from a particular nikon el nikkor 135mm
f5.6 MC lens mounted on the macro bellows. WOW
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Too many macro lenses?? no such thing, I have 12 that are 50mm -180mmf2.5 (tamron) some 35-40 enlarger lenses,6 bellows combinations, helicoids,converters,softars,extension tubes, in abundance and anything i can put on bellows. |
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Kram
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Kram wrote:
| WolverineX wrote: |
at the moment my top 5 dedicated macro lenses wolud be:
Olympus 90mm/2 - i believe fastest macro lens around in it's focal length, only wished it did 1:1 natively
Olympus 50mm/2 - same as above , can double as regular prime lens
Vivitar 90mm/2.8 - goes 1:1, has a long focusing throw that allows very fine tuned focusing
Macro-Takumar 50mm/4 - smallest macro lens i have along it's successor Super-Macro-Takumar, but this one goes natively to 1:1 and Super-Macro-Takumar doesn't
Yashinon 60mm/2.8 - goes 1:1 , made by Tomioka and has a well deserved reputation
honorable mention:
Micro-Nikkor 200mm/4 - longest macro lens i have, can double as a long telephoto, gives good working distance, but goes only to 1:2 |
Thanks for that! Is the Olympus 50mm/2 a macro lens or just a prime that has a good CFD?
I hear great things about the Olympus 90mm/2 but too pricey for me. I do have the Oly 85/2 and use it with tubes.
My faves are:
Contax Zeiss Makro-Planar 60/2.8 (replaced my Micro-Nikkor 55/2..
Micro-Nikkor 105/2.8
I use some other non designated lenses too for their unusual rendering. |
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