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estudleon wrote:
Which model of minolta is the seagull df 300 x?
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Minolfan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
Minolta x300. |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I thought it was an X-370.
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Minolfan
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Minolfan wrote:
Same thing! |
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WolverineX
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WolverineX wrote:
in different areas of the world minolta had different designations for same models
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MTHall
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MTHall wrote:
Seagull, Centon, Kinon* and maybe others too, were brands used on the Minolta X-300/ X-370 during its production run in China during the later eighties and early nineties. The Kinon X-380 I posses, is apart from the logo's, indistinguishable from its Minolta counterpart. If you rebadged it with Minolta's own Logos, no-one would ever know unless they had access to a serial numbers data file.
When these cameras were current, they were available in black or silvered/chrome.
Strange that Minolta allowed this legal cloning of a prestige camera, unless they made a huge profit from it of course!
*There are `No Name' X-300's too, the model number is displayed as usual, but the pentaprism cover has no logo on the front.
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| Seagull, Centon, Kinon and maybe others too, were brands used on the Minolta X-300/ X-370 during its production run in China during the later eighties and early nineties. The Kinon X-380 I posses, is apart from the logo's, indistinguishable from its Minolta counterpart. If you rebadged it with Minolta's own Logos, no-one would ever know unless they had access to a serial numbers data file. Strange that Minolta allowed this legal cloning of a prestige camera, unless they made profit from it of course! |
The wandering story, not verified, but funny enough to keep in memory, is that Minolta gave the Chinese a license to produce the X-300 under the own brand for the Chinese market only. As the second camera that rolled from the production line made it's appearance outside China, the Chinese manufacturer defended the export with the fact that there are lots of Chinese people living all over the world 
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MTHall wrote:
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| Seagull, Centon, Kinon and maybe others too, were brands used on the Minolta X-300/ X-370 during its production run in China during the later eighties and early nineties. The Kinon X-380 I posses, is apart from the logo's, indistinguishable from its Minolta counterpart. If you rebadged it with Minolta's own Logos, no-one would ever know unless they had access to a serial numbers data file. Strange that Minolta allowed this legal cloning of a prestige camera, unless they made profit from it of course! |
The wandering story, not verified, but funny enough to keep in memory, is that Minolta gave the Chinese a license to produce the X-300 under the own brand for the Chinese market only. As the second camera that rolled from the production line made it's appearance outside China, the Chinese manufacturer defended the export with the fact that there are lots of Chinese people living all over the world |
A wandering story, but true. There's nothing new in cloning and these aren't copies, they're too well made and have survived working for two decades!
Evidence speaks for itself, (Don't forget that Jesops sold these under their Centon brand).
 Picture taken on a Cannon 10D and Jupiter9 f5.6/125 with flash Cobra Auto 250.
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Seagull_DF-300
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Minolta_X-300
http://www.kamera-geschichte.de/files/carena_df300_d.htm
http://www.kamera-geschichte.de/files/carena_slr_sx300_d.htm
http://www.collection-appareils.fr/x/html/page_standard.php?id_appareil=10176
Have a google for Centon DF300, or Seagull DF300. The Kinon X-380 is less common in UK, but hey! they must have made it ashore as I bought mine from Blue Cross charity shop for £14.99. The Seagull version is said to have "Made in China under licence of Minolta Japan" on it. compare this photo with a Minolta X-370, they are identical. I cannot find the serial number of the body, but the lens carries SB-438660 under it.
And "The wandering story" continues, not only Minolta, but large numbers of British and continental manufacturers are following suit. `Offshore manufacturing' is the Jingle we hear, made in China is cheaper they say and the dole queue gets longer still.
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Lloydy wrote:
there's a guy on the Camera Collectors forum that seems to very knowledgeable about these Chinese cameras and he has an ongoing post showing them.
http://cameracollector.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=1930s&action=display&thread=7545
and he's just posted about the Seagull / Minolta.
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MTHall wrote:
Those `folder's' are great looking cameras Lloydy, I especialy like the MF SLR. I followed their link through onto facebook, there were some interesting Minoltas on there too.
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Lloydy wrote:
It's a very interesting topic, and not a bad forum either.
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| It's a very interesting topic, and not a bad forum either. |
Bu66er, I didn't know Peter Wallage had died. He was very knowledgeable, indeed.
I think it's the same PW that used to write car restoration books and for various camera mags. Knew a lot of very useful info.
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MTHall wrote:
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| It's a very interesting topic, and not a bad forum either. |
Bu66er, I didn't know Peter Wallage had died. He was very knowledgeable, indeed.
I think it's the same PW that used to write car restoration books and for various camera mags. Knew a lot of very useful info. |
It is saddening when someone you look up to and admire passes away. Patrick Moore too, has succumbed, even the greatest of us, is only mortal.
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MTHall
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MTHall wrote:
| Toeteraar wrote: |
| MTHall wrote: |
| Seagull, Centon, Kinon and maybe others too, were brands used on the Minolta X-300/ X-370 during its production run in China during the later eighties and early nineties. The Kinon X-380 I posses, is apart from the logo's, indistinguishable from its Minolta counterpart. If you rebadged it with Minolta's own Logos, no-one would ever know unless they had access to a serial numbers data file. Strange that Minolta allowed this legal cloning of a prestige camera, unless they made profit from it of course! |
The wandering story, not verified, but funny enough to keep in memory, is that Minolta gave the Chinese a license to produce the X-300 under the own brand for the Chinese market only. As the second camera that rolled from the production line made it's appearance outside China, the Chinese manufacturer defended the export with the fact that there are lots of Chinese people living all over the world |
You would have thought also, that other manufactures around the rest of the world, would have learned lessons from this. The Japanese before the Chinese and just after the war, used the same methods of exploiting the manufacturers in the west, this second assault if successful, will finish what the Japanese started. Two good instances to illustrate the the problem. From the early part of the 20th century right up until l the mid fifties the Germans were the kings of everything optical. Audio and everything Hi Fi was the domain of British electronics until the early mid sixties. Post war politics heavily reinforces by American influences on the global market, gave the Japanese an unfair marketing advantage, that's why we're where we are today! (There's a lot of hidden history on this subject!)
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That's not a bad read!
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MTHall wrote:
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That's not a bad read! |
Dig that colour scheme? Such a collectible camera too, Commemoration of the "Return of Hong Kong" limited edition (1000)
http://cameracollector.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=1930s&thread=7545&page=3#61382
That's quite a good forum Martin, I've been browsing around it too, some nice reading.pictures.
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HaarFager wrote:
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I cannot find the serial number of the body, but the lens carries SB-438660 under it.
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The serial number is embossed inside the top of the flash mount. At the top when looking at it as if you were about to take a picture. |
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