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aleksanderpolo


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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I have been doing that too, that's how I narrowed it down to the list. But I found that the PP style of the person making the image can have more impact on the final image than the lens itself. So I thought asking people with first hand experience with multiple lens might help eliminate this factor. I know most of the lens are more than capable, but some of them just give you more pleasure when you open the raw. I tried to push the files of FL55/1.2 and can never get the look I can easily get with the C-Sonnar, for example. |
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Attila


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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Most important and very cheap solution is PP and auto contrast, color, sharpness set is quick and smart. Camera process images anyway,
to buy $$$ lenses and cameras and ignore PP is not too smart. With same lens images looks entirely different on different cameras, PP can help to get quality images on inexpensive cameras.
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ManualFocus-G


Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 5724 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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The Planar is fantastic at close range, not sure where you got that idea. I suspect that it's got better coating than the Biotar and Pancolar as well. It really is a cracking lens and my favourite 85mm by a mile. The Samyang is also excellent but has less contrast and character.
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kyonthinh

Joined: 30 Mar 2012 Posts: 214 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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How about Rokkor MC 85mm 1.7 or MD 85 2.0? I think it is not so bad. |
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aoleg


Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1240 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: 85mm f1.4-1.8 experience |
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| aleksanderpolo wrote: |
1. Samyang 85/1.4: How is its microcontrast/edge definition and flare resistance? The photozone test show it doesn't improve much stopped down?
2. C/Y Planar 85/1.4: Is it too contrasty wide open to f2? Does it not perform well at the distance I am working with?
3. Nikkor 85/1.8 Ai: Had it once, thought it was a little heavy for a f1.8 lens, didn't shoot much with it and sold it, maybe I need to revisit it?
4. Nikkor 85/1.4 AiS: Too heavy?
6. Pentax 85/1.8: Is it good? How about the 77/1.8 limited?
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Have a look here: http://www.prime35.com/85mm-portrait-lenses-compared/
As to your list, my findings are:
1. The Samyang has low contrast and low micro-contrast. This was not to my liking. The bokeh is definitely smooth though, good flare resistance and very good sharpness even wide open.
2. The Planar is great in all respects. NOT too contrasty at 1.4, but has good contrast from f/2 down. Works fine at all distances.
3. The Nikkor 1.8 is very nice, gives vintage rendering and is very sharp/contrasty when stopped down.
4. The 1.4 version is a bit hefty, bit its creamy rendering and excellent performance will pay for the extra weight you have to carry.
6. The Pentax 85/1.8 is great, but I didn't find it much more interesting than the Nikkor 85/1.8. The Pentax is way more expensive though. And if you have the money to buy the 77 Ltd, by all means stop asking and go buy and use that lens! It's an optical marel. _________________ List of lenses |
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woodrim


Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 1999 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: 85mm f1.4-1.8 experience |
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| aoleg wrote: | As to your list, my findings are:
1. The Samyang has low contrast and low micro-contrast. This was not to my liking. The bokeh is definitely smooth though, good flare resistance and very good sharpness even wide open. |
Really? I've seen many pictures from that lens in its various brands and was always impressed. I'm not so much questioning your experience as just expressing surprise. Maybe I'll never understand what exactly in a lens' it is that creates the 3-D pop, but I thought micro contrast was a factor. That is one thing I have observed from the Samyang - pop. Somewhere in the MF forum is a comparison of the Samyang and Planar if my memory serves, and the differences were not that great, but the price certainly is.
I've got the Hexanon 85/1.8 and while I haven't assessed it properly yet, I don't see it as competition to the Planar and Samyang, but maybe the others? _________________ Regards,
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ManualFocus-G


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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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I've tested the Planar and Samyang indoors and they are both very sharp, even from wide open. Outdoors though the Samyang loses contrast and the Planar is better. That said, the Samyang is incredible value for money and better than many older 85s, which probably command a higher fee in the used lens market. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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yinyangbt


Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 1714 Location: Romania
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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I can tell about the Canon FDn 85/1.8 : good. Very good if not excelent quality/price ratio . If you want some bigger files to juge for yourself , PM me .
No PP at all. Portrait style or standard style setting on NEX 3 f 2.8 or 4 ,if I remember well
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ramiller500

Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 111 Location: Indianapolis, IN, USA
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aleksanderpolo


Joined: 24 Jan 2010 Posts: 691
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: 85mm f1.4-1.8 experience |
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Thank you for your helpful comments and the link.
1. Ya, that's what I fear...
2. Looks like I will need to try the Planar for 1.4
3-4. I don't know why I didn't bond with the Nikkor 1.8 the first time around, maybe I should try it again. I think I will skip the 1.4 and try the planar instead. Both the Nikkor 85/1.4 and L 85/1.2 look intimidating
6. I am itching towards the 77/1.8 too, but I've heard (and seen samples) of its more pronounced purple fringing from f1.8-f2, which is what makes me dislike lens like the CV 50/1.5. So, is it very bad compared to 85/1.8 K?
And o wow the Pancolor, if the price is not that high... (thanks Attila for the link, I think the Biotar is not my cup of tea though)
Thanks.
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Have a look here: http://www.prime35.com/85mm-portrait-lenses-compared/
As to your list, my findings are:
1. The Samyang has low contrast and low micro-contrast. This was not to my liking. The bokeh is definitely smooth though, good flare resistance and very good sharpness even wide open.
2. The Planar is great in all respects. NOT too contrasty at 1.4, but has good contrast from f/2 down. Works fine at all distances.
3. The Nikkor 1.8 is very nice, gives vintage rendering and is very sharp/contrasty when stopped down.
4. The 1.4 version is a bit hefty, bit its creamy rendering and excellent performance will pay for the extra weight you have to carry.
6. The Pentax 85/1.8 is great, but I didn't find it much more interesting than the Nikkor 85/1.8. The Pentax is way more expensive though. And if you have the money to buy the 77 Ltd, by all means stop asking and go buy and use that lens! It's an optical marel. |
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mfkita

Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 126
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: nikkor clarification..... |
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There is no 85/1.8 AI Nikkor....
There are a few different versions of the 85/1.8, and some availability of those 1.8 lenses with the Nikon AI conversion aperture ring, like the 1.8 K on the left below....and some that were simply converted with a notch cut into the rear of the aperture ring.
There is the 85/2 AIS Nikkor....much more compact than the 1.8...I got the 85/2 for the Nikon F...I liked the lighter more compact lens...but when I went to Canon digitalSLR (30D) I came to like the heft of the earlier 1.8 version...
Now as for those 85/1.8 versions....
The models marked H and H.C are the original silver and black versions...the "C" meaning that that lens has multicoating...
There is also the 1.8 K model which is the modernized black clad version, with the rubber focusing barrel....
The K has a bit more contrast and brightness than the H (about 1/3 an F-stop)...I don't know how the H.C compares...
As for recommendations....I liked all the 85s I had...the 1.8 H, the 85/2 and the 1.8 K I now have....
Here's a 100% crop @ 5.6 with the 85/1.8 H version...
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Minolfan


Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 2229 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| mfkita wrote: | Here's a 100% crop @ 5.6 with the 85/1.8 H version...
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aoleg


Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1240 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: 85mm f1.4-1.8 experience |
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| woodrim wrote: | | aoleg wrote: | As to your list, my findings are:
1. The Samyang has low contrast and low micro-contrast. This was not to my liking. The bokeh is definitely smooth though, good flare resistance and very good sharpness even wide open. |
Really? I've seen many pictures from that lens in its various brands and was always impressed.
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Well, try the Samyang and the Zeiss side by side. It's easy to see the difference in contrast and micro-constrast between the two lenses. If comparing the old Nikkor 85/1.8 with the modern Samyang, the differences will be much less striking - although the old Nikkor will be sharper and more contrasty when stopped down (after all, it was designed to be at its sharpest at mid apertures, while the Samyang appears to be a one-trick pony - optimized for highest wide open performance at mid distances). I am not saying whether this is a bad thing or not - after all, many photographers do prefer a somewhat muted contrast (one can always boost it in the post... or so it seems), and most will buy the Samyang for its 1.4 aperture and not for its super-sharpness at 5.6-8. But to address your question - yes, the contrast is lower than with other 85mm's. _________________ List of lenses |
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mfkita

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another near 100% crop from the 85/1.8-H seen in the above post @ F2.8
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hoanpham

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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Can anyone redirect me to threads about nikkor 85/1.4 ais in this forum?
How's the nikkor 85/1.4 ais compare with the other 85? |
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