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iangreenhalgh1



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, he's a video director in Hollywood, kind of comes with the territory.
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Topcon RE Auto Topcors 1.8/58, 3.5/135, 5.6/200
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are really so many ways to acheive the same "look" by non-destructive measures, it truly is a sad waste of what are really nice little cameras that are becoming harder to find.

I have not read the gentleman's blog, but perhaps he is one of those artists who puts the "process" of art creation above the result - like a Jackson Pollack, etc.

Unfortunately all I see are muddy, poorly composed and poorly exposed photographs. Alfred Steiglitz he is not!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people have big egos that cause them to fall into the delusion that anything they shoot is good. Seems he is one of them.
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Digital: Sony NEX-3, Samsung NX100, Canon EOS 450d
35mm SLR: Konica FT-1, Konica FC-1, Konica Autoreflex T, Carena SRH760, Exakta RTL1000, Canon EOS 10qd
35mm VF: Olympus Stylus, Konica C35, Konica A4, Konica MG, Konica MT-9, Ricoh FF-9, Ricoh AF-80
35mm RF: Zorki 6, Kiev II, Kiev IV, Contax IIIa, CZJ Werra III,
Medium format: Franka Rolfix, Mess Ikonta 524/16, Voigtlander Bessa with Skopar 3.5/105, Voigtlander Bessa with Voigtar 3.5/105, Kiev 6C, Century Graphic 23, Ensign Selfix 820, Kershaw 450
MF lenses: Schneider Angulon 6.5/68, Componon-S 5.6/100, C-Claron 4.5/135, Xenar 3.5/105, Mamiya C 2.8/45, Mamiya 2.8/80, CZJ Flektogon 4/50, Biometar 2.8/80, Zodiac 3.5/30, Tominon 4.5/135, Pullin Pulnar 2.8/100
Large Format: Ernemann HEAG Series VII version II 9x12 with Kodak Anastigmat 6.3/170
Konica Hexanons 4/21, 2.8/24, 3.5/28, 2.8/35, 1.8/40, 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 1.8/50, 3.2/135, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 4.5/300, 3.5-4.5/35-70, 4-4.6/28-135, 3.5/35-70, UC 3.5/45-100, 4/70-150, 4/65-135, UC 4/80-200. Hexars 3.5/28, 3.5/135, Konishiroku 2.8/35
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.8/35, Skoparex 3.4/35, Tessar 2.8/50, Sonnar 1.5/50, Biotar 2/58, Pancolar 1.8/50, Cardinar 4/100, Zeiss-Opton Biogon 2.8/35
Meyer/Pentacons 2.8/28, Primagon 4.5/35, Trioplan 2.9/50, 1.8/50, 2.4/50, Primotar 3.5/50, Primotar 3.5/135
Topcon RE Auto Topcors 1.8/58, 3.5/135, 5.6/200
Russians: OKC1-18-1 2.8/18, OKC1-28-1 2.8/28, Jupiter-12 2.8/35, Jupiter-8 2/50, Industar-50 3.5/50, Industar-26M 2.8/50, Industar-22 3.5/50, Zenitar M2S 2/50, Helios-44-2, Jupiter-9 2/85, Jupiter-11 4/135, Tair-3C 4.5/300
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comments are funny really, author got what he well deserved Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orio wrote:
People like Veijo Vilva have done this for years before this guy "invented" it and before the da1ily mail discovered it.


That's what I meant...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attila wrote:
I like if people respect old cameras and not ruin them with similar mods. If anybody want to shoot with them, film is exists.


This particular type of mod can specifically be done in way that does not ruin the camera—I have done this to two Vest Pocket Kodaks and two Contessa-Nettels (a Cocarette and a Piccolette), and all of them can still be used film with the mod in place and the modification can be completely undone in a matter of seconds without any damage to the camera.

The key point to realize is that these cameras already have a hole in the back, so there is no need to drill the camera—just use double-sided tape to attach a piece of extension tube, and it can be simply pulled off if so desired.

(The linked blog post of the person selling these modified cameras also states: “- Modifications are non-destructive and reversible.”)

ChromaticAberration wrote:
Long time no see such a silly thing. Things go crazy too often in pursuit of originality. I guess this could make some sense in case of a badly damaged camera with no commercial nor collector's value other than that it's just a waste of time.


What's silly about it? This does absolutely no damage to the camera and gives access to an interesting vintage manual focus lens (which should be goal enough for many people on this forum). How is this any more silly than using a cheap old manual focus lens with an adapter?


luisalgeria wrote:
There are loads of meniscus lens/shutter combos on ebay.


Yes, and each one of those means that the camera was taken apart to produce such a combo for sale. When I did this same modification some years ago, I specifically sought out these cameras where it can be done with the whole camera intact, when every other similar modification (back then) was destructive… So I find it really hard to see why it would be preferable to use lenses scavenged from possibly working or repairable cameras rather than use the whole camera, while keeping intact its ability to shoot film.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To clarify:



The extension tube can just be attached around the existing hole in the back of Vest Pocket Kodak (and Contessa-Nettel Piccolette & Cocarette) cameras with double-sided tape, possibly light-sealed with blu-tack as shown above. To undo the modification, just pull hard on the extension tube and it comes off, wipe clean to remove any remaining blu-tack -> camera will be in exactly the same condition as it was before modification.

(And to shoot film with the modification in place, just put a rear cap on the tube.)

So, I highly recommend this modification to everyone who has this camera—I think the frequency of use will increase compared to shooting & scanning 127 film with it (especially if you want colour pictures), and you can still shoot film. Please do not detach the lens and/or shutter from the camera!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still a silly idea to stick a whole camera on the front of a digicam when there are lots of more convenient options.

The photos by the person in question were excreable, absolutely without merit, yet both he and the Daily Mail thought them worthy of publication and the idea quite clever.

So all in all, a pretty pointless exercise.
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Digital: Sony NEX-3, Samsung NX100, Canon EOS 450d
35mm SLR: Konica FT-1, Konica FC-1, Konica Autoreflex T, Carena SRH760, Exakta RTL1000, Canon EOS 10qd
35mm VF: Olympus Stylus, Konica C35, Konica A4, Konica MG, Konica MT-9, Ricoh FF-9, Ricoh AF-80
35mm RF: Zorki 6, Kiev II, Kiev IV, Contax IIIa, CZJ Werra III,
Medium format: Franka Rolfix, Mess Ikonta 524/16, Voigtlander Bessa with Skopar 3.5/105, Voigtlander Bessa with Voigtar 3.5/105, Kiev 6C, Century Graphic 23, Ensign Selfix 820, Kershaw 450
MF lenses: Schneider Angulon 6.5/68, Componon-S 5.6/100, C-Claron 4.5/135, Xenar 3.5/105, Mamiya C 2.8/45, Mamiya 2.8/80, CZJ Flektogon 4/50, Biometar 2.8/80, Zodiac 3.5/30, Tominon 4.5/135, Pullin Pulnar 2.8/100
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Still a silly idea to stick a whole camera on the front of a digicam when there are lots of more convenient options.


The “whole camera” in this case is not really larger or heavier* than lenses of similar focal length, and the lenses on these cameras have fairly unique characteristics that are hard to reproduce with other lenses or Photoshop, so for those particular effects I don't think there are more convenient options that do not involve building some kind of separate mount + focusing helicoid assembly for a lens removed from these cameras, which would be destructive and therefore far more arrogant if done for sake of “convenience”.

* The weight of the Vest Pocket Kodak with the modification in place is under 330g, length when folded is less than that of typical 50mm lenses. So not only do the bellows allow near-macro focusing distances when extended, but they also make the combo shorter than most lenses of the same focal length would be. (And they can be used for minor tilt effects to increase DoF at close distances.)

iangreenhalgh1 wrote:

The photos by the person in question were excreable, absolutely without merit, yet both he and the Daily Mail thought them worthy of publication and the idea quite clever.


I think the idea is quite clever (having independently invented it myself some years ago =), and I don't think the quality (or lack thereof) of photos he took with them (or Daily Mail chose to publish) has anything to do with the idea itself. If Daily Mail were to discover that there are people who adapt vintage manual focus lenses to DSLRs, and they chose to publish only samples from someone who used a Helios-44 + Photoshop to produce “lo-fi” photos similar to that guy, I don't think people here would be exclaiming how silly it is to use Helios-44 on digital cameras.
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