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Excalibur


Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 3666 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| skida wrote: | | I do have a Canoscan 8800F, which does 35mm and 120 (and variants), but I am being lazy using the Lab scans as "being good enough for the internet". |
Some films I call "unscannable" with an Epson flatbed i.e. you can get too many problems.......this roll of Agfa confused my V750 in giving over saturated results and colour casts. I have a 2nd scanner 4180 photo and will try that (as the V750 might be having an off day). _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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Excalibur


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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:56 am Post subject: |
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The Epson 4180 for Ł3.50 is giving better/easier results than a V750 but don't like the grain, I haven't sharpened this properly but I should get better results from a Pentax 24-35mm zoom...so either it was crappy dev or the film.
Epson 4180 scan
 _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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yinyangbt


Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 1717 Location: Romania
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:14 am Post subject: |
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I'd expect Robin's people to come from that forest Nice ! _________________ Cheers , Teo
EOS XTi,Sony NEX3,Canon G9,Olympus EP-L1 / Konica FT-1,Minolta X-700 EOS50e EOS300,Canon T70,Canon EOS IX,Pentacon six,Agfa Isolette,Fed 5b,Kiev IVA,Zorki4,Zorki2C,.
Lenses : Rokkor,Hexanon,Canon FD,Minolta MD,Kiron,Vivitar,MIR,CZJ,Helios 44,Voigtlander(Rollei),Fujinon EBC X,Yashica ML,Jupiter8,Industar 61LD,Biometar80
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Excalibur


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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| yinyangbt wrote: | I'd expect Robin's people to come from that forest Nice ! |
Thanks..but how a picture sometimes doesn't tell the whole story as if I had swung the camera around it would have shown a motorway which would have made Robin poop his pants  _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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yinyangbt


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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Excalibur wrote: | | yinyangbt wrote: | I'd expect Robin's people to come from that forest Nice ! |
Thanks..but how a picture sometimes doesn't tell the whole story as if I had swung the camera around it would have shown a motorway which would have made Robin poop his pants  |
Like in "Just visiting"
That's why sometimes the picture shows better than reality !!! _________________ Cheers , Teo
EOS XTi,Sony NEX3,Canon G9,Olympus EP-L1 / Konica FT-1,Minolta X-700 EOS50e EOS300,Canon T70,Canon EOS IX,Pentacon six,Agfa Isolette,Fed 5b,Kiev IVA,Zorki4,Zorki2C,.
Lenses : Rokkor,Hexanon,Canon FD,Minolta MD,Kiron,Vivitar,MIR,CZJ,Helios 44,Voigtlander(Rollei),Fujinon EBC X,Yashica ML,Jupiter8,Industar 61LD,Biometar80
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Excalibur


Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 3666 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: |
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I've just seen another clue about this Agfa film:- on the bottom of the plastic film container is stamped "hope"..well I have Fuji superia 200 and Reala 100 both expired at 2007 and they either have "hope" or "Hope2" on the bottom also. So if anyone has bought Fuji c200 or Fuji superia recently (i.e. fresh) it would be interesting to know what is stamped on the bottom.
erm so who would assemble cassette, film and container, erm maybe all sent to China  _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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skida

Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 1339 Location: North East England
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Maybe the plastic containers are made by the "Hope Plastic Film Container Co." for film company clients.
Any chance of seeing an unsharpened version of the wheat field shot? |
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Excalibur


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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| skida wrote: | Maybe the plastic containers are made by the "Hope Plastic Film Container Co." for film company clients.
Any chance of seeing an unsharpened version of the wheat field shot? |
Plastic containers? I've run out of Kodak film to check, and have no Ferrania film.
and....Which scanner shall I use? _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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skida

Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 1339 Location: North East England
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think I prefer the colour rendering of the 4180.
I just found a plastic container with "Hope" on the bottom, under the recycle symbol, but I can't remember which film it contained.  |
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Excalibur


Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 3666 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| skida wrote: | I think I prefer the colour rendering of the 4180.
I just found a plastic container with "Hope" on the bottom, under the recycle symbol, but I can't remember which film it contained.  |
Well there is always hope you'll find another one
BTW went back to the same spot today with two cameras, one with Agfa and one with superia 200 and the wheat field shot should be more straw coloured i.e. it's too yellow sorta like this one taken with a taK 35mm f3.5 a few years ago
Tak 35mm f3.5
Scan from 4180 nothing ticked no PP warts and all:-
 _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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skida

Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 1339 Location: North East England
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for taking the time to do that Excalibur, I see not much difference at all between sharpened and unsharpened. I wonder if there are rolls from different production lines, ie: C200 and Superior, making it into the Vista packaging, as your roll seems to have quite pronounced grain compared to mine. My rolls are all 24 shots and I am guessing it is different stock to the 36 shot rolls. |
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Excalibur


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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| skida wrote: | | Thanks for taking the time to do that Excalibur, I see not much difference at all between sharpened and unsharpened. I wonder if there are rolls from different production lines, ie: C200 and Superior, making it into the Vista packaging, as your roll seems to have quite pronounced grain compared to mine. My rolls are all 24 shots and I am guessing it is different stock to the 36 shot rolls. |
Well I was wondering if Fuji had old film stock to get rid of and thought the "hope" on the plastic canister bottom might be a clue to it date. But for me this agfa is a problem on both scanners as for the easier 4180 scan I then found it difficult to change the yellow wheat to straw colour in Photoshop without upsetting all the other colours
Anyway the next Agfa roll is going to Asda and I'll see from these extra results if Agfa is for me. _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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Excalibur


Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 3666 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Using some of my favourite lenses, I have a further puzzle as a supermarket produced better results with dev and scan on another agfa film and eliminated the suspicion that the film is crap. Still to come are the same shots with Canon lenses on superia 200asa, but I'll give the thumbs up for this film at Ł1 a roll for 36exp and probably get about 30 rolls for testing lenses and backup when I can't use Reala or Superia
Hex28mm 2nd roll of Agfa
Hexanon 40mm 2nd agfa vista
Pano from either Hex 28mm or 40mm, agfa vista
Hexanon 28mm 2nd asta vista
 _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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skida

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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That's unbelievable! The difference is amazing.
ps: someone told me that Morrisons are selling "Fuji 400" at 99p! That was about a week ago, so may no longer be current. |
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Excalibur


Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 3666 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| skida wrote: | That's unbelievable! The difference is amazing.
ps: someone told me that Morrisons are selling "Fuji 400" at 99p! That was about a week ago, so may no longer be current. |
Handy to know thanks....but how can two scanners give crap results in the previous posts....well my first guess is: it must be old dev or fixer used at the shop and that confused both Epson scanners. _________________ Nikon L35ad, EM & N2000, Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, Centon K100, Minolta X-700, X-300, SRT101b and AFZ, Pentax S3, Praktica MTL3, MTL5 & BC1, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1 & C35, Olympus Om20, Yashica T5D, Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony DSC-P92
.........past gear Tele Rollieflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from crap to excellent. |
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