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kds315*
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:00 am Post subject: First fish eye lens ever made? |
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kds315* wrote:
The Beck Hill Sky lens Click here to see on Ebay made for weather / cloud watching (not intended to promote that auction, just for info...)
(c) Wikiwand
The "Hill Sky Lens" was designed by R Hill in 1924 (R. Hill, "A Lens for Whole Sky Photography" Proc.Opt.Conv.1926) and patented (British Patent 225,398), later produced by company BECK of London.
Here about it: http://www.novacon.com.br/odditycameras/hillscloud.htm
German Company AEG made an advanced one ("Wolkenkamera") in 1932 (German Patent 620,538), which was found by a friend of mine (#13 made), then auctioned off at Westlicht http://aeg-weitwinkelobjektiv.de/index-eng.htm
It was also shown here: http://forum.mflenses.com/aeg-wolkenkamera-sold-for-eur18-000-t49689.html _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
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http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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sergtum
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:40 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Lenses with ultra wide fovs are now easy and cheap to make due to the advent of moulded plastic aspheres - the huge front element is a moulded asphere. Before such moulded aspheres, the front element was a very difficult piece to produce, hence they were very expensive. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Lenses with ultra wide fovs are now easy and cheap to make due to the advent of moulded plastic aspheres - the huge front element is a moulded asphere. Before such moulded aspheres, the front element was a very difficult piece to produce, hence they were very expensive. |
I've done a bit of research into the Nikon 8mm lenses and Canon FD 7.5mm. I have not found any indications anywhere that these lenses have aspherical elements anywhere. And, with the possible exception of the Nikon 8mm f/2.8 (and certainly the Nikon 6mm f/2.8 ) they were not particularly expensive to produce. _________________ Michael
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Lenses with ultra wide fovs are now easy and cheap to make due to the advent of moulded plastic aspheres - the huge front element is a moulded asphere. Before such moulded aspheres, the front element was a very difficult piece to produce, hence they were very expensive. |
I've done a bit of research into the Nikon 8mm lenses and Canon FD 7.5mm. I have not found any indications anywhere that these lenses have aspherical elements anywhere. And, with the possible exception of the Nikon 8mm f/2.8 (and certainly the Nikon 6mm f/2.8 ) they were not particularly expensive to produce. |
My knowledge too Michael, but what do we know ...
Here some writing of my friend Marco Cavina about early fisheyes:
http://www.marcocavina.com/articoli_fotografici/AEG_fisheye_1935/00_pag.htm
and nooo, Nikon did not copy... it just looks so similar
Here what he found out about Nikon fisheye lenses, only the rare 10mm OP fisheye used an aspheric front lens:
http://www.marcocavina.com/articoli_fotografici/Nikkor_fisheye_story/00_pag.htm
_________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
My knowledge too Michael, but what do we know ...
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So you failed to understand what I said but your arrogance makes you think I am in the wrong....
I never said aspheres were used in all fisheyes, I said nothing of the sort.
I merely said that ultrawide FOV lenses are now easy and cheap to make because of the advent of moulded plastic aspheres.
How you twisted that into ALL such lenses contain asphericals is beyond me. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
An example of the sort of moulded plastic asphere I was talking about:
Lens from a DLP projector:
Yields a roughly 170 degree FOV:
_________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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PBFACTS
Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 565
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: First fish eye lens ever made? |
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PBFACTS wrote:
In the modern age : the first universal fisheyes (not specific to a single tm) were
https://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=232822
http://forum.mflenses.com/fs-vintage-soligor-0-15-fisheye-adapter-t26222.html
ps: i sell my soligor fisheye converter _________________ OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
A very interesting article, especially on Nikon fisheyes:
http://www.pierretoscani.com/fisheyes-(in-english).html _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I'm messing with one of those Kenko fisheye .15x adapter things you mention there PBFacts.
It gives a true full fisheye on APS-C with an f/2 35mm, I guess its an effective 5-6mm focal length.
The image circle decreases as you stop down.
The quality is not very good.
On a 50/2, where I have done more tests, it does a truncated fisheye.
I should do a post on that thing. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
kds315* wrote: |
My knowledge too Michael, but what do we know ...
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So you failed to understand what I said but your arrogance makes you think I am in the wrong....
I never said aspheres were used in all fisheyes, I said nothing of the sort.
I merely said that ultrawide FOV lenses are now easy and cheap to make because of the advent of moulded plastic aspheres.
How you twisted that into ALL such lenses contain asphericals is beyond me. |
To be clear here, Ian, I was merely questioning your assertion that these moulded plastic aspheres were the first cheap fisheye lenses . . . or cheaper at any rate. Your assertion goes against my own experience. In addition to the Nikon and Canon lenses I referred to above, I also recall seeing fisheye adapters for cheap, which are still around, btw:
and a fisheye lens that Spiratone used to sell. 180 degree FOV:
To the best of my knowledge, none of these types of lenses use or used aspherical elements. _________________ Michael
My Gear List: http://michaelmcbroom.com/photo/gear.html
My Gallery: http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/index.php/
My Flickr Page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11308754@N08/albums
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I made no such assertion - that the first cheap fisheyes were aspheric.
What I said was that today, and I was referring to in the modern age, i.e. the 21st century, fisheyes can be made cheaply by use of moulded plastic aspheres.
The first plastic moulded aspheres were in the mid-70s for the Kodak Disk camera, but that was a tiny element about 5mm in diameter.
My point was that if you wanted to make something like the Beck Sky lens today, it would be possible to do it far more easily and cheaply because of this plastic moulding technology. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10540 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Ambiguity impossible to predict yielding plausible but mistaken meaning interpretation.
Happens to me all the time -- I actually try to include the possibilities, but nearly always am surprised by the meaning extracted by others, assembled from ambiguities I'd not noticed... _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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PBFACTS
Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 565
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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PBFACTS wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
I'm messing with one of those Kenko fisheye .15x adapter things you mention there PBFacts.
It gives a true full fisheye on APS-C with an f/2 35mm, I guess its an effective 5-6mm focal length.
The image circle decreases as you stop down.
The quality is not very good.
On a 50/2, where I have done more tests, it does a truncated fisheye.
I should do a post on that thing. |
On my om 55mm 1.2 + soligor 0.15 .. the circle is round
The converter beeing officialy a 0.15x (or perhaps a 0.14 or a 0.16 ?) the circle depends of the true focal lenght of the primary lens (the focal lenght is no more the true focal lenght as before when 48mm or 52mm were common lenses)
if all the indications are true :
55mm x 0.15 = 8.2mm = 100% round circle
50mm x 0.15 = 7.5mm = 100% round circle _________________ OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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PBFACTS
Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 565
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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PBFACTS wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
The image circle decreases as you stop down. |
Perhaps you use the stop ring of the lens..You MUST use the lens at full aperture and modify it with the converter's stop ring
luisalegria wrote: |
The quality is not very good. |
The quality is on par with MOST round fish eyes lens .. Ok on center / low on edges / fringing on edges ..
The 1970 sigma fisheye had similar quality/problems (the 1961 8mm/12 is much lower) and the 2015 lensbaby fisheye ~300€ has same quality/problems ! _________________ OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
I had one of those things Luis mentions, many many years ago. Quality was rather bad
and I got rid of it soon... Cheap thingy, had several, all rather bad, gave up on these.
Sold under many brand names... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Mos6502
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 961 Location: Austin
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Mos6502 wrote:
Sometimes the pettiness and deliberate obtuseness of members here impresses me.
I suppose, it must be, that the larger the glass is, and the more it must be ground and polished, the cheaper the lens is to make. Right? It's probably why all those ultrawides and fisheyes were so incredibly cheap to buy when they first came out...
That aside, I must comment that the camera and its lens are pretty wonderful. Would be interesting to see photos taken with one, as intended, of the clouds. |
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RichA
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:37 am Post subject: |
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RichA wrote:
[quote="iangreenhalgh1"]An example of the sort of moulded plastic asphere I was talking about:
Lens from a DLP projector:
That shot is actually really good for a cobbled-together lens. Better than I've seen from some real fisheyes. |
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Gerald wrote:
RichA wrote: |
That shot is actually really good for a cobbled-together lens. Better than I've seen from some real fisheyes. |
Don't be fooled by the images presented. A true fisheye lens noticeably bends all straight lines, except the radial ones. You got it? _________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:17 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Mos6502 wrote: |
Sometimes the pettiness and deliberate obtuseness of members here impresses me.
I suppose, it must be, that the larger the glass is, and the more it must be ground and polished, the cheaper the lens is to make. Right? It's probably why all those ultrawides and fisheyes were so incredibly cheap to buy when they first came out...
That aside, I must comment that the camera and its lens are pretty wonderful. Would be interesting to see photos taken with one, as intended, of the clouds. |
What I wrote wasn't that hard to understand, was it?
Fisheye/Ultrawide lenses require large and highly curved front elements which are difficult and expensive to produce by the grinding process, therefore fisheye/ultrawide lenses were expensive.
However, modern injection moulding technology and optical resins means that large, highly curved elements, including aspherical ones, are easy and cheap to produce, therefore it is now much cheaper to produce a fisheye/ultrawide lens. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
One of those old fisheye attachments just popped up on ebay UK:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-49MM-JAPAN-FISH-EYE-WIDE-ANGLE-LENS-/311917459990?hash=item489fbaba16:g:xfEAAOSwsXVZa6SO _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10540 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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