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iangreenhalgh1
 Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 16017
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 3:45 am Post subject: What are the worst lenses you've unfortunately owned |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I've spent the last few months discarding all the lesser lenses from my collection, all the ones that were flawed went first, then the ones that were merely average, finally the ones that were good but didn't capture my attention or touch my heart.
I got to thinking earlier, what were the truly awful ones that I really regretted ever owning and were useless.
I had a lot of average ones but only a few stood out as being really excreable, I'm excluding any that had faults such as fungus, haze or bad scratches.
Foremost must be the Vivitar Series 1 2.3/135, a very well made and solid lens but optically garbage, unusable above f5.6, pretty bad at 5.6, barely acceptable at f8. Really soft and with massive amounts of CA, thank god I was able to sell it without making a loss.
Running it a close second was the Hoya 3.5/200, made by Tokina, again a well made and solid lens but again, optically garbage. Slightly soft, huge levels of CA, poor contrast, muted colours, easily the worst 200mm lens I've had to suffer.
Third place goes to a Vivitar 2.8/28, Komine made but not the close focus version, soft, low contrast, poor colours, just horrid.
I must have deleted the sample pics but i remember it had the ability to make a sunny day look dull.
Others that stick in my memory as offending my eyes include this Yashica DSB 2/50, by a large margin the worst 50mm lens I've come across, so bad I suspect it may have been faulty:
Then there was the Hoya 2.8/135, again made by Tokina, really bad, no contrast, not sharp, bad colours, awful.
I had a Pentacon 2.8/135 made by Sigma that was rotten too, never got anything approaching a sharp shot from it:
The Canon 18-55 kit zoom I had was truly abysmal but I can't hate it too much, it's truly awful performance was what started me on my MF lens adventures:
Finally, the Canon FD 1.4/50 SSC, not as bad as the others I've mentioned but for a supposed premium lens it was very disappointing, wide open it was too soft to be really usable, at 2.8 it started to look okay, at f8 it was actually reasonable, It doesn't really belong on a list of worst lenses but it makes it because of how disappointing it was and I thought there was no such thing as a poor 50mm lens.
So what tales of woe and eye-hurting IQ does everyone else have? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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David
 Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 1871 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:17 am Post subject: |
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David wrote:
Mine was a Toyo 28 2.8 in FD. Awful lens. A few other notable mentions: Soligor 70-310, Soligor 90-230, Starblitz 70-210 (I think), a Vivtar 80-200 (I think) that I forget the maker of. Those top the list. All had awful CA on digital, terrible contrast, and difficulty finding focus. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/hancockDavidM |
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mdarnton
 Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 77 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 5:18 am Post subject: |
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mdarnton wrote:
For me, the Vivitar Series 1 200/3 was the worst lens I've had. Just plain bad, I don't think I ever took a single photo with it that I used, and at the time I was a news photographer, working for a paper whose reproduction of photos was awful. . . and the lens was still too bad to use for that.
That wasn't the first bad lens I had, but it was the last off-brand one I bought until I got a Kiron 28/2 recently because it was so cheap, fast, and supposedly a sleeper. Sleepy is more like it, though, and I won't make that mistake again--back to Nikon only. _________________ small formats: http://flickr.com/mdarnton
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aoleg
 Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1402 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 5:18 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
iangreenhalgh1, you must've encountered really bad copies of some of these lenses. Either that, or some of your lenses had something undisclosed in their history (maybe badly repaired). The Vivitar S1 135/2.3, for example, behaves the way you've shown if its fixed rear lens (the 'floating' element) is removed or put backwards. It's very easy to put it in a wrong way as it looks nearly flat.
I briefly owned the two Tokina lenses (135mm and 200mm) under RMC Tokina label, and I tend to agree with you here. They weren't the best lenses in their focal length (as in low contrast, muted colors, lots of blue/purple fringing), but they were not the worst ones by far. RMC Tokina 300/5.6 is not the best one either.
Possibly the worst lens I ever tried was Focal 250mm f/5.6 mirror lens. Never sharp, never! (That comes from someone who has no problem taking sharp pictures with a 1000mm f/10 mirror lens). Terribly low contrast, too.
Then, a Kobori-made Vivitar 80-200mm f/4 zoom. Extremely soft at the long end; corners are dismal at 200mm when shot up close. Maybe not the worst in absolute terms, but pretty close. (Now, I'm not even touching the many 80-200 and 80-205mm zooms made - or, rather, branded - by labels such as "Focal", "Underground", "Promaster", "Quantaray" etc. Many of those were below dysmal, but some were pretty decent.)
Talking about Vivitar, their S1 35-85/2.8 was pretty bad at the long end: soft, low contrast, CA. I appreciated the effort to make a fast, constant aperture standard zoom, but it's quite bad by today's standards.
Yashica ML 135/2.8 was probably the worst OEM 135mm lens I tried. Not terrible, but not very good either. With so many aftermarket options being that much better (including the notorious Vivitar 135/2.8 in M42), it just failed to impress.
Yashica ML 300/5.6 failed to impress: its sharpness is less than that of a decent zoom, which simply isn't normal for a slow fix-focal lens. It's quite unusable wide open. _________________ List of lenses |
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luisalegria
 Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:44 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
The Soligor 90-230 sounds like the Tokina made 90-230/4.5 zoom
I have two versions of this, in other brands, and neither are bad, though a bit quirky.
I can see that there likely was great sample variation.
I have the RMC Tokina 135/2.8 for almost 30 years, and I find it a reasonably good lens, just doesn't stand out among the 135's. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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LucisPictor
 Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17666 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:16 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
aoleg wrote: |
iangreenhalgh1, you must've encountered really bad copies of some of these lenses. |
+1 I agree. The Canon kit-zoom feels like a plastic mug, but optically it is not bad, really.
I used to have a Tokina 28-80 AF lens which was really bad. Normally, I like Tokina AF lenses a lot, but that one was nasty. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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Nelson
 Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 614 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
[quote="LucisPictor"]
aoleg wrote: |
+1 I agree. The Canon kit-zoom feels like a plastic mug, but optically it is not bad, really.
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mines never made such CAs
and Is version is a very good performer _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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rafa1981
 Joined: 15 Jul 2010 Posts: 142
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: |
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rafa1981 wrote:
I think that you had a lemon FD 50 f1.4. For me the FD 50 1.4 SSC is easily one of if not the best Japanese 50 f1.4 of that era.
The pic you posted is weird, the back neck hair of the guy is in focus, the mouth is more in focus than the eyes... it suggests massive field curvature, any chance of being dissasembled and having some element reversed?
Take a look at the bottom of the first page, and the top of the second:
http://forum.mflenses.com/super-takumar-50mm-f1-4-or-rokkor-58mm-1-4-t28217.html _________________ My flickr.
Gear: Constantly evolving. |
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iangreenhalgh1
 Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 16017
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:35 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Definitely copy variation plays a big role and it's quite possible that one person can have a dog and another gold from the same lens.
If my Viv S1 2.3/135 was assembled wrong, it came from the factory that way, it was in new, unused condition when I got it.
The Canon FD 1.4 might have been played with, didn't see any evidence of that though, it was in used condition but pretty good shape overall, didn't look abused.
Tokina are a mixed bag for me, I have some great experiences with them - 2.8/24, 2.8/28, 3.5/17 are all great lenses but the 2.8/135, 3.5/200, RMC 25-50, 5.6/400, those were all dogs. The 25-50 was pretty bad at the wide end, loads of distortion, it had CA at all settings and low contrast, but could actually take nice pictures if you worked within it's limitations.
25-50 at 25mm end, distortion, low contrast, CA:
25-50 again, showing it was actually pretty sharp:
One other thing that I must admit, I don't have Luis' ability to make gold from lesser lenses, in my hands, if a lens isn't great, it really shows! _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Sirrith
 Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
Hanimex 135 2.8, made in hong kong version, lots of plastic, weak aperture mechanism, very creaky and wobbly, hate using it. Haven't even managed to use it enough to determine whether IQ is good or not. Makes the canon kit lens feel like a brick next to it. |
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Attila
 Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57939 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
Hanimex 135 2.8, made in hong kong version, lots of plastic, weak aperture mechanism, very creaky and wobbly, hate using it. Haven't even managed to use it enough to determine whether IQ is good or not. Makes the canon kit lens feel like a brick next to it. |
Don't give it up, I kept a hanimex 200mm lens due beautiful colors , not so sharp even a f8 but it has nicer color rendering than most lenses. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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ManualFocus-G
 Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6674 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
Hanimex 135 2.8, made in hong kong version, lots of plastic, weak aperture mechanism, very creaky and wobbly, hate using it. Haven't even managed to use it enough to determine whether IQ is good or not. Makes the canon kit lens feel like a brick next to it. |
Is that the horrible one with the green ring round the front? _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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iangreenhalgh1
 Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 16017
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The green ring ones are usually Makinons. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Opticus
 Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Posts: 73
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Opticus wrote:
This 30kg monster lens. Granted, it wasn't made for photographic purposes...
Last edited by Opticus on Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:33 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Sirrith
 Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Is that the horrible one with the green ring round the front? |
I think it has a green ring, yes, I don't have it with me at the moment though so I can't check.
Atilla wrote: |
Don't give it up, I kept a hanimex 200mm lens due beautiful colors , not so sharp even a f8 but it has nicer color rendering than most lenses. |
I'm probably not going to get rid of it, I'd have to give it away for free because I wouldn't feel comfortable asking anyone for money for something like that! I will probably get around to giving it a real test sometime in the future..  |
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Nordentro
 Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4698 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Vivitar 200mm f4 is really crap I have two simmilar and both where crap.
No worth selling either, you can get max 10 bucks. _________________ Lars | Lens collection | Manuellfokus.no |
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ForenSeil
 Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2727 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
@Ian - I have a Tokina made 200/3.5 which is optically much better than yours (sharp and good CA control). There are different Tokina made 200/3.5 but I'm pretty sure your copy is faulty anyway.
I never had really bad lenses
My worst lens is the Makinon F3.5 80-200 with Konica mount. It's soft and and has CAs also @ F8 - but it's still able to take pics
My technically worst prime was a C-Mount lens named Tarcus TV-Lens 50 F1.3 - it has a useful sharpness but an realy bad CA issue!
http://forum.mflenses.com/a-little-comparision-between-some-cheap-50mm-lenses-t45319,highlight,%2B50mm.html
There is already such a thread on the forum bye the way _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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Minolfan
 Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3418 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
My worst lenses till now:
Never sharp Pentacon 29mm 2.8 (but I have a very good one too!);
Sigma-XQ 200mm 3.5 with double focusing system, only usefull with the lightsources right from your back;
Hanimar 35mm 3.5, mechanical not OK, but the screws are too tight to do something about it.
Vivitar zoom 28 - 70mm, that was cheap and contrastless - I gave it away for parts. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Forenseil, there is little likelihood my copy of the Tokina 3.5/200 was faulty as the 300 and 400mm Tokinas are the same - awful CA and low contrast at larger aperture settings. Have a look around the net, you'll find lots of examples from these three lenses that show these issues. So how are you sure mine is faulty?
Same CA issue from the 400mm Tokina:
 _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Excalibur
 Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5041 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
My latest useless lens:- Foto care 2Xs converter..I decided to clean an element and undid the retention ring and instead of one lens element dropping out everything fell out, 8 parts in all and I can now put my finger through from front to back  _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
That happened to me once too.  _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
 Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57939 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Worst experience what I had happened twice, one was zoom lens I not even bring it to home I did throw out in place under photo walk.
Another one a film camera some shiny not well known one I wish to drop to river from bridge , but I brought back to home and I think unfinished roll still in. Hundreds of items just made me lot of joys, so this is really not bad. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Lloydy
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Excalibur wrote: |
My latest useless lens:- Foto care 2Xs converter..I decided to clean an element and undid the retention ring and instead of one lens element dropping out everything fell out, 8 parts in all and I can now put my finger through from front to back  |
And now you have an extension tube.  _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
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http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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SonicScot
 Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2711 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
Excalibur wrote: |
My latest useless lens:- Foto care 2Xs converter..I decided to clean an element and undid the retention ring and instead of one lens element dropping out everything fell out, 8 parts in all and I can now put my finger through from front to back  |
And now you have an extension tube.  |
+1  _________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
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Mike Deep
 Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 314 Location: Upstate New York
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Deep wrote:
Lousy 2x TCs are a wonderful way to get ~25mm extension tubes. _________________ Rocket Launch Photography
Olympus: 24/2.8 MC, 28/3.5, 28/2.8 MC, 35/2.8, 50/3.5, 50/1.8, 50/1.4 MC, 35-70/3.6, 75-150/4
Nikon: C 24/2.8, AI-S 28/2.8, K 35/2.8, F 55/3.5, F 105/2.5, F 135/2.8, F 200/4, No. 5T
Pentax: 28/3.5, 35/3.5, 50/1.4 (v1), 50/1.4 (v2), M 50/1.4, SMC 55/1.8, 105/2.8, SMC 135/3.5, 150/4
Tamron: SP 17/3.5 151B, 135/2.8 T-135, SP 300/2.8 60B, SP 35-80/2.8-3.8 01A, 80-210/3.8-4 103A, SP 1.4x TC 140F, SP 2x TC 01F
Vivitar: 24/2 (Kino), 28/2 (Kino), 50/1.4 (Cosina), S1 90/2.5 (Tokina), S1 28-80/2.8-3.5 (Kino), 70-150/3.8 (Kino), S1 70-210/3.5 (Kino), 2x Macro TC
Etc: Yashica 3.5cm/2.8, Fujinon 50/1.4, Yashica ML 50/1.4, Tomioka Yashinon 55/1.2, Mamiya/Sekor 55/1.7, Sigma 90/2.8
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