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edumad
Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 348 Location: Esposende, Portugal
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:24 am Post subject: Beautiful versus useful lenses |
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edumad wrote:
I would bet most of those here with more than 3 manual lenses don't have the lenses because they are using them all the time.
Multiple 50mm, multiple 135mm, sometimes more than one copy of the exact same lens.
But my point is not about lens buying addiction, but more why some lenses are more attracting.
I appreciate design, so look many times to lenses and cameras as beautiful items of design.
I think many share the same view, some lenses we want because they are beautiful, not because they are useful or great quality.
What lens would you like to get because it is beautiful, weird, rare, or any other reason rather than its a good lens with the focal lenght you need to shoot?
For me, any silver lens sparks my attention. The zebra CZJ are also very nice. Industar 50-2, weird design interesting.
I would love a mint SMC Takumar 135mm F3.5 with original caps and hood, every time I see an example I drool a bit _________________ TWAPSI - The World As Photography Sees It |
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Humulus
Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Posts: 130 Location: Poland
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Humulus wrote:
I am attracted to Soviet lenses from the 80's - especially the KMZ ones. They aren't particularily pretty but they have a sort of charm to them. Maybe because they remind me of the times when I was a kid and my dad used to take photos with his Zenit camera. I'd love to expand my Soviet lens collection with a nice APO Telezenitar-M 135mm f/2.8 or maybe a Telemar 22A 200mm f/5.6. A few days ago I came across a massive Variozenitar-M 40-120mm f/3.5 on eBay that is so rare that you can't even find its photos on the internet. Unfortunately, I couldn't afford it |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:45 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Actually, I own virtually ALL of my lenses because they are useful. I couldn't give two hoots what they look like. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8982 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
My personal favorite and one that I have many copies of is the CZJ Pancolar 2/50.I was introduced to the Takumar lenses on this forum and find I like their compact design and smooth focusing.I am currently looking at the early Auto taks,why because they look good and have a good reputation.
The silver lenses have an attraction as well and I have a few of them I confess I don't particularly like plastic lenses although there are great lenses made of plastic.The all metal of a lens is what attracts me the most,I have to stop and at least check it out.Then I will see if it has a reputation and buy it if its the right price. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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edumad
Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 348 Location: Esposende, Portugal
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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edumad wrote:
On the plastic versus metal, it is not clear to me why, but for some reason everyone manages to produce metal lenses more beautifull than the plastic ones.
And its not a past versus present thing, modern metal lenses can look great too. _________________ TWAPSI - The World As Photography Sees It |
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vroger
Joined: 23 Jul 2014 Posts: 623 Location: MN
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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vroger wrote:
I like the metal lenses, but the silver lenses make me drool.... not that they necessarily take better pictures.. :0) _________________ Roger Lund
Canon EOS-M, Fuji X-E2, Helois 44-0 Vintage, Helois 44-4, Canon FD 50mm 1.8, Jupiter 8 50mm F2, Jupiter 3 50mm F1.5, Canon Serenar 50mm 1.9, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM, Canon Serenar 85mm F2, Leica 50mm f2 summar, E.Ludwig 50mm F2.9, Rekagon will.wetzlar 50mm 2.8,, a.schacht ulm travenar 135mm F3.5, CZJ 29mm 2.8 Hoya 28mm 2.8, CZ Tessar 50mm 2.8, MIR 37mm. 2.8, Porst Color Reflex MC 50mm 1.7, Vivitar 28mm 2.8 mc cf
http://photography.rogerlund.net
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Jeff Zen
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 262 Location: Northwest USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff Zen wrote:
I don't know. I have lenses that are beautiful on the outside but if they do not have character or style or a certain level of performance then they don't look so beautiful to me anymore. They are just pretty paperweights. In some cases poor performing lenses can be historical artifacts and worth collecting, though! |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3437 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
I have a silver Tessar, half automatic and a disaster to use, but I like how it looks like.
My favorite though is a beautiful Steinheil Culminar 50mm 2.8, a kind of reversed Tessar. The focusing is stuck by wrong repair, so it is hardly usefull. Even if working I do'nt expect it is a really excellent lens.
But I certainly do'nt throw it in the bin; I will purchase a M42 helicoid adapter for my Nex to get it at work again. |
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bychance
Joined: 24 Apr 2013 Posts: 345 Location: Kent, England
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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bychance wrote:
The canon FL 50mm 1.8 is for me, a thing of real beauty, an utterly gorgeous style.
Steve. _________________ I got where I am by avoiding where I was going.
Now where was I? |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
"Form follows function" for me. They need to function, "beauty" is nice to have but function is a "must have".
I also convert lenses, don't even ask if those look like at times.... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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!Karen
Joined: 20 Jul 2013 Posts: 837 Location: Belgium Baby
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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!Karen wrote:
I too have a soft spot for silver lenses. Still I only keep them if they end up being decent enough performers.
@humulus: this reminds me, I have a telemar 22A. Had completely forgotten about it. Need to mount it on the camera this weekend. _________________ FLICKR PHOTOSTREAM |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
"Form follows function" for me. They need to function, "beauty" is nice to have but function is a "must have".
I also convert lenses, don't even ask if those look like at times.... |
Indeed, some of the 'hack job' conversions I have done are rather less than pretty, but they are effective. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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newst
Joined: 21 Oct 2014 Posts: 617 Location: Troy, MI USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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newst wrote:
I truly appreciate beautiful lenses but I spend my money on lenses that I can use to take photographs. I have equal appreciation for my beat up aluminum Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135/4.0 as I have for my pristine chrome Zeiss Jena Triotar 85/4.0 but that is because they both shoot beautifully not because they do, or don't, look beautiful.
There is a lens currently on Ebay (US) that claims to be a Zeiss Jenna 60mm Sonnar in LTM mount. It is a gorgeous piece of chrome and glass. It doesn't interest me though. It's not so much the $2000.00+ asking price but that I believe it to be a fake. The printing on the lens ring is just wrong. It would never have left the factory looking like that. _________________ Steve
Just an armadillo on the shoulder of the information superhighway. |
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padam
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 175 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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padam wrote:
The best looking lens I have is the Canon 28/2.8 LTM and I had the silver Nokton 50/1.5 VM which is also pretty(and now miss but not just because of that).
If only there would be a digital camera that would match these in style that is Not a Leica - I guess I need to switch to film because it looks better |
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CBokeh
Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 147 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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CBokeh wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Actually, I own virtually ALL of my lenses because they are useful. I couldn't give two hoots what they look like. |
+1
I would even strike the qualifier word "virtually" from Ian's thought. |
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Well ,I collect SLR Zebra lenses and I have a few cine wide angle lenses which are too nice looking to be sold, but vignettes to much to be used
I also love silver and silver/black Japanese LTM lenses like Nikkors, Serenars, Tanakas, Suns, Kyoeis ++ and old USSR FED lenses like my 28mm f/4.5 and the 50mm macro which is tiny, but I also use m39 lenses a lot. _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
I have a metal lens fetish :p
Rokkor MC, Canon FL, Super-Taks, Topcor R, older Nikkor Pre AI, etc...
Those milled focus rings are just sublime. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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enzodm
Joined: 11 Sep 2010 Posts: 350 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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enzodm wrote:
I honesty cannot think to need really all the 50s and 135s I have, even taking into account the rendition differences they have (and I'm not the owner of the largest collection here ). Beauty is one reason, in broad sense because sometimes is some special form of ugliness ( e.g. I like Jupiter 37a because it resembles a cannon). Beatiful: Pancolar star wars, Serenar 100/4 first series, Triotar 135/4 ( I too have a preference for bare metal...). Of course functionality is needed, but not necessarily at the top. _________________
Canon 60D, Tamron 17-50VC, Canon 55-250IS, Sigma 50-150/2.8 plus:
Wide: Mir 20/3.5, Kenlock 24/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Yashikor 35/2.8, Mir 37/2.8
Fifties: Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Pentacon 50/1.8, Zenitar 50/1.9, Leica Summicron 50/2, CZJ Pancolar 50/2, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, Industar 50/3.5 , Rikenon 55/1.4, Petri 55/1.8, Helios 58/2
In the middle: Cyclop 85/1.5, Nikon 100/2.8
135s: Tamron 135/2.5, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5, Jupiter 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar 135/4, Tamron Twin Tele 135-225
Tele: Soligor 200/2.8, Pentax Super Takumar 200/4, Hanimex 400/6.3, Makinon 500/8
Various: Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 135/4.5, Tominon 105/4.5, Vest Pocket Kodak meniscus, Wray Supar 2"/4.5
Sony Nex 6 plus:
Industar 69 28/2.8, Fujian 35/1.7, Rokkor 50/1.4, Jupiter 50/2, Cosmicar 50/2.8, Industar-22 50/3.5, Leitz Elmar 90/4, Canon Serenar 100/4
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:17 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
A lens has to have something special about its optical performance. Special to me. Second is build quality with many-bladed diaphragm closely following. Having those characteristics met usually means a metal build. Silver over painted mostly because I find the aforementioned criteria to be met better with the older lenses. Pre-set also. I will not buy a lens just for its appearance, but I do remember a time when I was very young that I thought a very big and long lens was very cool. My hormones were also raging at that time. _________________ Regards,
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Humulus
Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Posts: 130 Location: Poland
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Humulus wrote:
I also like the "reverse zebra" looks of E. Ludwig Meritar 50mm f/2.9 but I don't really use it since I also got a better M.O.G. Trioplan 50mm.
@ !Karen - congrats on your Telemar. Hope it performs well |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
There are many excellent lenses that produce images that delight. This should be the first priority for all of us. If these lenses also look good it is an added bonus.
Of course, some of them do both.
I have a distinct liking for the Yashinon DX range. They present in two types - silver and black or all black.
It is the all black varieties that look sooooo good. Beautifully designed with an unstated elegance to my eye.
I have posted pics here before, but these were lost in the GFC (great forum crash)
The 200mm is often referred to as the black beauty
OH |
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araucaria
Joined: 16 Jan 2014 Posts: 63
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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araucaria wrote:
I love 100-135mm lenses, I have the nikkor 105 2.5 sonnar and the nikkor dc 135 2. I love the way they render, it's my favourite focal length area. The problem is that this particular fov is not really useful to me. This took me to the pentax 67 105 and It has been my doom because now I own like 5 different Medium format systems... and playing with the idea of large format... |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
My favourite lenses are the ones that amaze me with their looks and their performance. Those are the "keepers".
If a lens looks great but performs poorly, I won't use it a lot.
And if a lens performs great but looks ugly, I for some reason don't pack it in my bag a lot either. Strange, isn't it? _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
Things ON SALE
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Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
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BeardsAreBest
Joined: 09 May 2014 Posts: 286 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:32 am Post subject: |
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BeardsAreBest wrote:
I have a butchered, extremely used looking Jupiter 11 from 1958 and everything on it except for the glass looks like shit.
But it is nice and sharp and easy to use.
I also have a mint kiev 1953 version which is lovely to look at but is not much better if at all at capturing images.
It's the way of the world unfortunately, a high percentage of people buy things because they are pleasing to the eye.
I know, i work in the automotive industry and like the saying goes, "you can't polish a turd! but you can cover it in glitter" |
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Marek
Joined: 13 Apr 2014 Posts: 903 Location: In the heart of Europe
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Marek wrote:
After buying first 10 often must-have MF lenses I don't need anything special or extra optically that much, so I collect.
More or less, everything I wanted optically I already own, so I simply prefer look and condition before optics and drawing.
Of course it's always fine to combine it with a certain optical quality.
I only collect mint looking silvers, especially rare ones and with full accessories (original caps and so).
The only MF black I really insisted to have was Pancolar 80, or secondarily Planar, but I grabbed the first one which is end of the story for me. When I discover another ugly must-have lens either for butterflies or portraits, I'll buy it.
I think it's highly irrational attitude and also kind of dumb, but not that different from buying 51st lens because of being a great pefrormer but very similar to, lets say, 10 lens you already have. SO, WE ARE ALL WEIRDOS. _________________ Angry young man !
Flickr | Juzaphoto | Ebay sales
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