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Karhallarn
Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 577
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: Alternative to the Kiron 105mm f2.8 Macro |
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Karhallarn wrote:
Hi guys!
As some of you know, I recently got lucky and bought a mint Kiron 105mm for a mere 59€. I enjoyed the performance of the lens but it is sooo heavy and unbalanced on the Samsung NX11, that I'm now thinking about making money with it and getting a different Macro in the 100mm range. I would like a macro which is smaller and lighter and thus fits better to my NX11.
Now, as the Kiron is kind of a legend for it's performance, which Macro would be a worthy replacement in a lighter body? I looked at the Minolta 100mm f3.5 Macro and the Pentax 100mm f4 Macro, which both seem to be considerably smaller!
How do they compare or are there other choices you would recommend?
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eddieitman
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 1247 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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eddieitman wrote:
Vivitar 90mm f2.8 made by komine light small and excellent and goes to 1:1 _________________ My web site www.digital-darkroom.weebly.com
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
I like the Smc tak 100/4 very much. Don't know if ot's smaller or lighter than the kiron, though. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1694 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
Aanything wrote: |
I like the Smc tak 100/4 very much. Don't know if ot's smaller or lighter than the kiron, though. |
yes it is, i got them both _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1694 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
eddieitman wrote: |
Vivitar 90mm f2.8 made by komine light small and excellent and goes to 1:1 |
+1 _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I don't know the Kiron lens at all , but I have got the Minolta 100mm f3.5 Macro, which is no lightweight. So far I have only used it as a 100mm lens on a film Minolta XD7, and it's a great lens.
But, I think that to get the true macro from it the lens has to be mounted on an extender, Minolta certainly made one for this lens ( and it's successor ) but I haven't got it. My lens came in a job lot of camera gear so I wasn't actually buying that lens. There was an aftermarket extender with it, but I haven't tried that yet.
I'm sure one of the Minolta enthusiasts will enlighten us, because I'd like to know for sure as well. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:10 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
eddieitman wrote: |
Vivitar 90mm f2.8 made by komine light small and excellent and goes to 1:1 |
Not great wide open though. Tamron is better for this. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3437 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
But, I think that to get the true macro from it the lens has to be mounted on an extender, Minolta certainly made one for this lens ( and it's successor ) but I haven't got it. |
The lens was sold, together with a sturdy extender tube to get 1:1 that had a tripod screwmount. Pity you did not find that too.
I did purchase the lens new in the seventies so I have the set completed. Great lens but no lightweight!
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Minolfan wrote: |
Lloydy wrote: |
But, I think that to get the true macro from it the lens has to be mounted on an extender, Minolta certainly made one for this lens ( and it's successor ) but I haven't got it. |
The lens was sold, together with an sturdy extender tube to get 1:1 that had a tripod screwmount. Pity you did not find that too.
I did purchase the lens new in the seventies so I have the set completed. Great lens but no lihgtweight! |
That's as I thought. The one that came with all the Minolta gear is a Telemore 95 2 made by Komura Lens. Which by all accounts is very average, it's also a X2 converter.
I would like to get the right Minolta one if possible, if you have the correct details / model number of it I would appreciate that information. And if possible a picture of it. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 2877
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Vivitar 90mm f2.8 is not light and small. It's 580gr v 640 for Kiron and just a little bit shorter. It's a substitute for Kiron, but it does not substantially improve in size/weight department. If you want small and light longer macro your options are Cosina 100mm/f3.5 (also known as Vivitar, Soligor, and by a dozen of other names) and Sigma 90mm/f2.8.
Both are good lenses and 1:2 macros. They are not substitutes for Kiron, they and Kiron are like fish and fowl. As a tripod macro Kiron will walk over them. As a field macro, I like them much better than Kiron, because they are really small and light, around 350gr and half the bulk, good short teles, short focus throw perfect for quick focusing.
If you are interested, I can sell either of the above light macros for 100 Euros and Soligor 90mm/f2.5 (same lens as above mentioned Vivitar 90mm/f2.8 ) for 120. I am way overstocked on macros (I also have Kiron and 4 50-55mm macros). |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10543 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Tamron SP 90/2.5 Macro goes to 1:2, weighs 460g (with Nikon Adaptall-2 mount). _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
Tamron SP 90/2.5 Macro goes to 1:2, weighs 460g (with Nikon Adaptall-2 mount). |
With extender around 700g |
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Karhallarn
Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 577
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Karhallarn wrote:
Thanks for the big input!
1:2 Macro is absolutely sufficient for the walk around Macro lens and my Style! 1:1 is only used on a tripod in my case and in this setup the weight and an extension tube would be absolutely fine!
I bought the Kiron because it was hell of a bargain and because my 50mm Minolta is a little short at times!
When I summon your thought, the best options for size and weight would be the Pentax 100mm f4 and the Tamron 90mm f2.5.
As I'm still thinking about getting a K20D as a second camera, how big is the difference between the Pentax and the Tamron? _________________ www.MoWePhoto.de
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heartcat
Joined: 31 Dec 2009 Posts: 371
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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heartcat wrote:
I just picked up a Panagor PMC 90mm 2.8 macro lens for $80 that does true 1:1 macro. I don't find it heavy at all. I looked it up and it apparently weighs 510 grams.
I haven't had a chance to download and view the first test shots. They look nice on the camera screen, but pics often do, so until I can get them on the computer I won't know for sure.
I wasn't even looking for a macro lens, I just stumbled across it and for the price figured I'd give it a try. I've been happy with my regular lenses and extension tubes for macro shots. But of course you lose the ability to take regular shots without the inconvenience of removing the tubes first.
Once I get some sample shots from the Panagor, I'll share them on the forum. _________________ Canon 50D; CZJ Sonnar 135mm 3.5; SMC Takumar 55mm 1.8; Helios 44-2 58mm 2; Jupiter 37-A 135mm 3.5; Jupiter 11A 135mm 4; Pentacon 135mm 2.8; Nikkor-P 105mm 2.5;(Tokina) Vivitar 35mm 2.8; Tokina RMC 28mm 2.8; Vivitar 19mm 3.8; RMC Tokina 80-200mm 4.5; RMC Tokina 35-70mm 3.5; Panagor 90mm 2.8; Asahi Pentax extension tubes; 2xAuto Prinz teleconverter M42 |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I found the Tamron suffered purple flare when stopped down on digital. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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