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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: Dismantle a Tamron 01F ...and clean it |
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Nelson wrote:
I've got 3 01F and two of them have some troubles on the lenses, they look cloudy and photographs become soft.
I have been trying for a long time to dissasemble the worst of them since i have nothing to loose, but I still was stopped by the last ring
few times ago i bought a wrench for lenses and decided to go on the dissasembling, and finally i succeed today
the last ring on the right was a nightmare to unscrew !
the two optic elements on the right are glued together and they are clean.
This is the third (still from right) that has some bad stuff on it, all the other elements are clean. _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
do you have any advice ?
_________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Andrew G.
Joined: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 159 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew G. wrote:
If that's the cemented front group you've shown, you may be dealing with element separation/de-lamination. _________________
DSLR: Nikon D40x
SLR: Nikon N2000, Nikomat FTn
Glass:
Nikon:28mm f/2.8 Ai, 28mm f/2.8 Ai-S, 2.8cm f/3.5 F, 28mm f/3.5 Ai-S, 50mm f/1.8 Ai, (2) 50mm f/1.8 Series E, 55mm f/3.5 Micro K, 55mm f/3.5 Micro Ai, 100mm f/2.8 Series E, 105mm f/2.5 F, 105mm f/2.5 Ai, 105mm f/2.5 Ai-S, 200mm f/4 Ai-S, Process-Nikkor 260mm f/10, TC-200
Third-Party: Vivitar 28mm f/2.5 preset, Vivitar 28mm f/2.5 TX, Tamron 28mm f/2.8 Adapt-A-Matic (v. 1), Vivitar 35mm f/1.9 (Canon FD), Vivitar 35mm f/2.8 T4, Tamron 135mm f/2.8 Adapt-A-Matic, Vivitar 135mm f/3.5 preset, Vivitar 200mm f/3.5, Soligor 200mm f/3.5 T4, Star-D 500mm f/8 Mirror, Sigma 15-30mm f/3.5-4.5 AF, Tamron 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 Adaptall-2 (44A), Hanimex 35-70mm f/2.8-3.8, [x2] Tamron SP 35-80mm f/2.8-3.8 Adaptall-2 (01A), Tokina AT-X 50-250mm f/4-5.6, Soligor 55-135mm f/3.5 T4, Vivitar 70-150mm f/3.8 (one-touch), Vivitar 75-205mm f/3.8 (one-touch), Soligor C/D 78-210mm f/3.5, Soligor C/D 100-300mm f/5
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
Andrew G. wrote: |
If that's the cemented front group you've shown, you may be dealing with element separation/de-lamination. |
sorry i do not understand
the part i am showing is the third one from the right _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
i am still looking for some advices... _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Have you tried cleaning it with the usual things - cold cream or alcohol ? If you have, and the pictures show the lens after cleaning then I would think the glass has been etched by the fungus, I have a very nice Rokkor 135 that has one element that looks exactly like that one of yours, and it's ruined. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
hummm
yes i already cleaned it with alcohol... _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
This is probably haze caused by vaporized and re-condensed lubricant.
Some other things to try -
- cold cream (used for removing cosmetics)
- dishwashing soap
- lighter fluid (naptha)
I suspect the reason cold cream works pretty well
Cold Cream - http://www.ponds.com/product/detail/95877/cold-cream-cleanser
is because it contains mineral oil, which can be a solvent for oil and wax, and also -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
i just tryied demake up and cream for hands, not for to long but just to see if there is an influence...
i looks like there is no change
it is disapointing because when glass is wet, it looks so nice but when it dryies marks appear again _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
After you have tried everything else and there is no other hope at all,
this will certainly fix it. Polish the lens with this -
http://www.mothers.com/02_products/05100-05101.html
This will remove the haze for sure. But it will also remove the coating. So make sure its hopeless first.
I have tried this on some lenses which were hopeless cases - one was an internal element in a 75-260 Vivitar zoom just like your case - and it does work. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Smoli4
Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Posts: 606 Location: Haifa, Israel
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Smoli4 wrote:
well if its really hopeless, and you can consider paying for shipping costs, i can offer a polish - hand made, with a glass polisher used in the glass industry, since i have a friend working there and he can supply me with many solutions i may need regarding to lenses.
again - this would probably remove any or most coatings that are on the surface. (if the damage is only on one side of the lens then this side will loose its coatings) and ofc im offering this free of charge. |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
Finally i have reassembled the 01F, the lenses are better, still not perfect but the converter can be used.
This morning i oppened my second one, there was some haze on a lens, i clean it with "dishsoap" and now it is fine
I am happy _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Smoli4 wrote: |
well if its really hopeless, and you can consider paying for shipping costs, i can offer a polish - hand made, with a glass polisher used in the glass industry, since i have a friend working there and he can supply me with many solutions i may need regarding to lenses.
again - this would probably remove any or most coatings that are on the surface. (if the damage is only on one side of the lens then this side will loose its coatings) and ofc im offering this free of charge. |
Generous offer thank you! I keep in mind it. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
Smoli4 wrote: |
well if its really hopeless, and you can consider paying for shipping costs, i can offer a polish - hand made, with a glass polisher used in the glass industry, since i have a friend working there and he can supply me with many solutions i may need regarding to lenses.
again - this would probably remove any or most coatings that are on the surface. (if the damage is only on one side of the lens then this side will loose its coatings) and ofc im offering this free of charge. |
sorry to not having answered before.
THANKS A LOT !
But i do not want to make people loose their time.
Thoses lenses are toys for me, i can take pictures without them, so cleaning them is part of the play.
But if one day one of my best lenses has a problem I may need some help _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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ManuallyYours
Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Posts: 35 Location: Lyon, FRANCE
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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ManuallyYours wrote:
Late answer, but efficient products : first alcohol with an old toothbrush, second and last step, acetone with a simple cloth.
And your old and dirty lens will be as new.
I saved more than twelve old near dead lenses with this method. |
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hmfssantos
Joined: 28 Jun 2012 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: I'm in trouble |
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hmfssantos wrote:
Hi,
I recently bought from EBAY a 2x teleconverter 01F (my first bad deal, in some years). Unfortunately the lens came with haze (most likely fungus).
Can you explain me how you managed to disassemble your lens? Do you have any tip on how to remove the screw on the right? The lens wrench just seems not enough!
Regards, |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Stuck screws are the most common and most annoying problem in camera repair.
There are several useful tactics to unstick screws - this is my usual program, in order -
- Use a penetrating oil meant to unstick screws, like WD-40, but there are many brands. Don't use too much, you really dont want this stuff penetrating everywhere in the lens.
- Use a soldering iron to heat up the screw. The differential expansion will very often loosen it.
- Put a screwdriver that fits snugly on the screw head (so it wont get deformed) and hit the end of the screwdriver several sharp blows. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Nelson wrote:
01F are easy to disasemble
the haze is surely in the back elements
you just have to unscrew the back ring
I succeed my second just unscrewing it
First one was fully disasembeld, cause it didn't now and the back ring was very hard to unscrew !
you can try to warm it with hairdyer
Hold firmly the 01F when you will unscrew the ring in order not to damage the ring _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1304 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: same problem |
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marcusBMG wrote:
just an addendum to this topic.
I have also ended up with a couple of 01F's that show exactly the same problem as described by the OP. I suspect a particular aging issue with the glass/coating (or st). Like the OP I have tried cleaning: lens cleaner, alcohol, acetone.. no luck.
Something to watch out for with these TC's. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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Sonbou
Joined: 21 Jun 2014 Posts: 1 Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Sonbou wrote:
This is how I did the job:
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
Sonbou wrote: |
This is how I did the job:
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The first post of any new user doesn't allow for pictures...
So here you have them.
Saludos.
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I posted early on in this topic and since then I have acquired another 01F ( I have a good one already ) with the same fungus and haze as those pictured. I also struggled to take it apart, and when I succeeded the element was beyond cleaning - badly etched - so I removed all the glass and it's now an extension tube.
But, I think the threaded ring that is glued on so tight is that way to set the distance of the elements, so it has to go back on at exactly the same place it was. I might be wrong, but that's how it looked to me. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Stevo88
Joined: 05 Nov 2016 Posts: 1 Location: Canterbury UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Stevo88 wrote:
Hi everyone, I have the same issue as the OP; bought on eBay and didn't spot the haze. It's not always visible just by holding lens up to a window. I used an LED torch to highlight it (shone obliquely). I should have done that on day 1. Too late to return item so I need to fix it.
I've read all these posts and they are very helpful. Problem is that I can't view any of the attachments. Is that a browser issue? |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Lloydy wrote:
A lot of the pictures in old topics are gone, there was a server crash a while back and the links to pictures were broken. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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awa54
Joined: 02 Jun 2018 Posts: 39 Location: VT, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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awa54 wrote:
Sorry, but I'm gonna dig up this zombie thread again....
I just got an 01F that actually has clean glass, *but* mine arrived with the element unit slightly loose and it had backed out of the body threads to the point of interfering with the aperture mechanism on a Minolta MD Adaptall 2 mount. Does anyone have one of these that is in original (never disassembled) condition that they can measure the element holder position on, so that I can be certain that I have the elements correctly positioned in this teleconverter?
Thanks in advance! _________________ Mostly Minolta (Sony) but Bronica too
https://www.flickr.com/photos/awa54/
Flickr Tamron 04B 200mm f/3.5 close focus group
https://www.flickr.com/groups/3139513@N20/
Flickr Tamron 54B SP 300mm f/5.6 tele macro group
https://www.flickr.com/groups/3051622@N20/ |
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