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ForenSeil
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 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:22 pm Post subject: Rollei Infrared 400 - Lower wood effect than Efke IR 820? |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Hello.
With the Rollei Infrared 400 film I obtain only a very low wood effect.
Example:
(already improved a lot in lightroom)
Filter is Heliopan RG 715. Lens is 50mm CZJ Flektogon F4, usually around F8-F16 with 1/4s exposures (--> ISO 1,5- ISO 3).
10min before that shot I used Efke IR 820 film and got much stronger wood effects with the same exposure times.
Can anybody give a tip how to get a stronger wood effect?
Do I use the wrong filter for this film?
Devoloper was Xtol 1+1 for both films. Is it maybe the wrong devoloper for the rollei film?
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CarbonR
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
I get far whiter results with the IR 820 and Rodinal dev. But I did not try any other film/dev...
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David
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David wrote:
I'm not familiar with the Rollei film, but I know that Fotokenia (Efke's manufacturer) makes very highly regarded film. So perhaps the Efke is simply a higher-quality film? Also, for the Rollei, what is the nanometer rating?
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lulalake wrote:
I use Wimberley Pyro WD2D, and Acufine. Both get fairly good wood effect using an R72 filter on Rollei 400.
See my tests on digital truth:
http://www.digitaltruth.com/products/product_tests/infrared_film_008.php
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kds315* wrote:
RG715 is just above the "red-edge" which causes the whitening of foliage
Personally I would go up a notch using the Hoya R72
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Riverseries
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Riverseries wrote:
Pretty much.
750nm cut off filters are harder to find, and effectively reduce the ISO to around 1!
Rollei IR400's manufacturers did recommend overexposure for a greater wood effect. When I tried this, I just seemed to get overexposed images 
It's a very sharp film and has an interesting tonality. Unfortunately its IR response seems weaker than Ilford SFX200 to me; much much weaker than the classic Konica IR750nm film too. Still, its one of the best we've got and I'm really glad Rollei/Maco/whoever are still making it... |
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ForenSeil
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ForenSeil wrote:
| Riverseries wrote: |
Pretty much.
750nm cut off filters are harder to find, and effectively reduce the ISO to around 1!
Rollei IR400's manufacturers did recommend overexposure for a greater wood effect. When I tried this, I just seemed to get overexposed images
It's a very sharp film and has an interesting tonality. Unfortunately its IR response seems weaker than Ilford SFX200 to me; much much weaker than the classic Konica IR750nm film too. Still, its one of the best we've got and I'm really glad Rollei/Maco/whoever are still making it... |
Even Superpan 200 which isn't a real IR-film gives better wood-effects.
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Riverseries
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Riverseries wrote:
Is it available in 120 roll format?
I'd like to try some to see if it is as sharp as the IR400 film (should be, right?)
What's the best price on the net for it? |
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ForenSeil
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ForenSeil wrote:
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Is it available in 120 roll format?
I'd like to try some to see if it is as sharp as the IR400 film (should be, right?)
What's the best price on the net for it? |
Yes it's available 120 roll format. I have 3 rolls here but my Kiev 60 is broken  . Which IR400 film do you mean? If you are talking about the same film the resolution is much better with the 120 format, especially when used for prints in darkroom.
I paid a little more than 4€ per roll.
The best price on the net depends on your location.
I've bought mine from a German seller (Macodirect.de)
Efke IR820 is more expenisve but it's giving a much better (the best) IR effect when used with filter
Rollei Infrared 400 is not so good with my 715nm filter.
Rollei Superpan 200 has similar character, but much better resolution, gives better wood effect than Rollei Infrared 400 and is the cheapest.
I heard Rollei Retro 80 is also very good for IR but producing very little tonal range and extremly contasty images (which produces a special character) but I've never tried it so far.
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