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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: My first Pentacon Six photograph |
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Orio wrote:
taken with MIR-26B 3.5/45 wide open
Film was a T-Max 100 _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Keep shooting with your 5D Good shoot and perhaps fun to use old camera. _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Actually, my 5D will never be able to make a shot like this one. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I don't believe that , next time please make a double action from same subject I really curious. _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I could maybe do it if I had a 28mm f/1.4 - which I don't even know if it exists.
Impossible with a normal 28mm. like a 28mm f/2.8 to have such a narrow DOF on a 135 camera. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I see I didn't think about that. _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Ok I need the help of you all guys.
I need to know how this image looks on your monitor.
There are two questions, please choose one of the answers each.
HOW DO THE SHADOWS LOOK ?
a) too dark, I am losing some detail
b) balanced ok
c) too bright, pure black seems to be missing
HOW DOES THE GREYSCALE LOOK?
a) I see a reddish tint (slight-heavy?)
b) I see balanced greys
c) I see a greenish tint (slight-heavy?)
Thanks for your help! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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lgrabun
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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lgrabun wrote:
C and A for me. |
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
b,b looks okay. _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
thanks. Please keep the answers coming. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
What puzzles me is that I did an "auto contrast" on this picture.
Yet, on my newer monitor, which I calibrated accurately, it seems without pure black.
Which is a nonsense, as Photoshop is a software and it is supposed to set the pure black when performing an auto contrast.
I can not figure this out.
Also, on my calibrated monitor, the image seems to have a reddish tint, while on the older monitor (not so well calibrated) the greys seem perfectly balanced).
Please keep teh answers coming and don't let be influenced by previous answers or this post, please tell me what you see on your monitor wihtouth thinking of these words. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I think I have understood what happened: Photoshop has seen the pure black in the scan edges, and set the auto contrast to it. Since it's of course much darker than anything else in the image, this explains why the image looks with shallow shadows.
It remains to explain the reddish cast, provided that I and Lukasz are not the only ones to see it. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Please let me know how do you evaluate this following version in comparison with the first one:
_________________ Orio, Administrator
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
More contrasty , looks better. _________________ -------------------------------
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lgrabun
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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lgrabun wrote:
Much better but still somewhat reddish. Try to make a "negative" image out of it - on my monitor it's slightly cyan. I've made "pure" B&W version of the image, if you don't mind, I can post it to the forum. |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
lgrabun wrote: |
Much better but still somewhat reddish. Try to make a "negative" image out of it - on my monitor it's slightly cyan. I've made "pure" B&W version of the image, if you don't mind, I can post it to the forum. |
Please do.
I would like to know the way you neutralize greys in photoshop. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
By the way the reddish cast on the image must have been imposed by the Epson scanner. The negative is true B&W and I did not touch a single slider to edit the colors. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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lgrabun
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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lgrabun wrote:
Orio wrote: |
By the way the reddish cast on the image must have been imposed by the Epson scanner. The negative is true B&W and I did not touch a single slider to edit the colors. |
It can be development as well. All B&W films I have developed in a local lab have a slight cyan tint which - when scanned and made negative - yeilds reddish cast.
The following image was converted to monochrome with Convert function in B&W; in situations like this I think it's more than enough and no tinkering with filters and channels playing is required:
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
lgrabun wrote: |
The following image was converted to monochrome with Convert function in B&W; in situations like this I think it's more than enough and no tinkering with filters and channels playing is required: |
Don't you lose much color space by turning to Greyscale?
I was thinking of duplicating the layer, invert it, then set blend to "color".
This should make a perfect B&W and keep the whole RGB color space. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
and of course "fill" set to 50%
I just tried it, it works great! Will make an action out of it. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Another image, always P6, this time with the CZJ Biometar 2.8/80, stopped down. Film = Kodak TMax100.
direct:
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3586/p6biometar02redtq6.jpg
I am of the impression that this film, contrary to most negative films, gives the best and richer tones when underexposed a tad . _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Orio, never mind what Attila says, these are great shots! And those
negatives will last a long long time, too...
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
katastrofo wrote: |
Orio, never mind what Attila says, these are great shots! And those
negatives will last a long long time, too...
Bill |
Thanks Bill. I am very happy, although the camera suffers from the P6 problem of overlapping frames. But the few that were ok have really fascinated me. No, there are some things that medium format can do and the small format can not, digital or not.
I am inspired to write something about it, maybe I will. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Katastrofo
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
I luv this format! I hope to be doing my own developing of B&W film in
less than a month!
I'm seeing loads of detail in these shots, and it's that organic thing again,
splendid!
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