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yinyangbt
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 Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: Meyer Optik Orestor 100/2.8 vs Jupiter 9 |
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yinyangbt wrote:
How do they perform compared one versus the other ?
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BRunner
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BRunner wrote:
Orestor/Pentacon 2.8/100 is much sharper lens. At f2.8 is overall sharper than the Jupiter at same aperture. It has much better contrast in contra-light and more accurate color rendering. Probably the best lens Meyer/Pentacon ever made. I rate it as high as CZJ Sonnar 135 or Leica Elmarit 2.8/135.
On the other side, Jupiter has it's sonnar character which I do like more and more.
But there aren't two Jupiter-9s with same color rendering and as hard is to get crappy Orestor, so easy you can get crappy Jupiter.
The Orestor is definitely more safe and more universal option.
Here you can see may review of the later Pentacon version of Orestor.
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
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Orestor/Pentacon 2.8/100 is much sharper lens. At f2.8 is overall sharper than the Jupiter at same aperture. It has much better contrast in contra-light and more accurate color rendering. Probably the best lens Meyer/Pentacon ever made. I rate it as high as CZJ Sonnar 135 or Leica Elmarit 2.8/135.
On the other side, Jupiter has it's sonnar character which I do like more and more.
But there aren't two Jupiter-9s with same color rendering and as hard is to get crappy Orestor, so easy you can get crappy Jupiter.
The Orestor is definitely more safe and more universal option.
Here you can see may review of the later Pentacon version of Orestor. |
I have it but it is labelled Meyer-Optik Görlitz Orestor 2.8/100
like this:
I love it
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Attila wrote:
Try both, I agree with Brunner , except crappy Jupiter, I had a few of them none of them was crappy. I think if anybody found a crappy Russian or East German lens that means somebody did tampered it before. Perhaps some of them came out from factory with faulty , but I never met any.
Both are excellent lens, in fact I made one of my best portraits with J-9 even if I have tons of other well known 85mm lenses Planar, Pancolar , Biotar etc. J9 is stunning portrait lens, not so good for general purpose.
Meyer lens solve all shooting situation well from portrait too close-ups.
We did talk here from SLR lenses they are good ones, RF lenses are stunning!
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Nordentro wrote:
I have both of them, but would rather recommend a Sankor made 105mm/ f2.5. It's half the price and at least as good as the Orestor and faster with very smooth bokeh. 
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laenee
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:48 am Post subject: Meyer 100/2.8 Orestor Zebra 14 Blades |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
The J9 is quite a good lens. I must admit I rarely use mine.
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ducdao
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ducdao wrote:
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| I have both of them, but would rather recommend a Sankor made 105mm/ f2.5. It's half the price and at least as good as the Orestor and faster with very smooth bokeh. |
I was looking to get one of those Orestor 100/f2.8 but now that you mentioned the Sankor, I might buy that one instead. Can you give a specific lens brand so I can look it up on eBay?
Is it the Spiratone 105/f2.5?
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Nordentro
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Nordentro wrote:
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| I have both of them, but would rather recommend a Sankor made 105mm/ f2.5. It's half the price and at least as good as the Orestor and faster with very smooth bokeh. |
I was looking to get one of those Orestor 100/f2.8 but now that you mentioned the Sankor, I might buy that one instead. Can you give a specific lens brand so I can look it up on eBay?
Is it the Spiratone 105/f2.5? |
Most common as Spiratone, but also labeled as Aetna, Sankor, Seriese, Accura etc. It's a zebra lens and looks like this:
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ducdao
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ducdao wrote:
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| Nordentro wrote: |
| I have both of them, but would rather recommend a Sankor made 105mm/ f2.5. It's half the price and at least as good as the Orestor and faster with very smooth bokeh. |
I was looking to get one of those Orestor 100/f2.8 but now that you mentioned the Sankor, I might buy that one instead. Can you give a specific lens brand so I can look it up on eBay?
Is it the Spiratone 105/f2.5? |
Most common as Spiratone, but also labeled as Aetna, Sankor, Seriese, Accura etc. It's a zebra lens and looks like this:
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Ah cool. I recently won two Spiratone 105/f2.5 M42. The average price was $60+SH. Can't try them before another two months since I'm currently on a 2-month biz trip 
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
and about coating of this ?
is it single-coated or multi-coated ?
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I will also recommend the Sankor 105/2.5 (which can also be found labelled as 100/2.5).
http://forum.mflenses.com/aetna-coligon-100-2-5-test-shots-t18595,highlight,%2Baetna.html
The Meyer, like all modern Meyer lenses (I believe, someone correct me if I'm wrong) is not multi coated. I believe it has a single coating of some sort.
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BRunner
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BRunner wrote:
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and about coating of this ?
is it single-coated or multi-coated ? |
All Meyers/Pentacons 2.8/100 was single-coated, but this doesn't matter. Contrast is on pair with CZJ MC Sonnar 3.5/135.
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Nordentro wrote:
Here is my thread
http://forum.mflenses.com/seriese-m42-105mm-f2-5-with-samples-t31404,highlight,%2Bseriese.html
Flower pics is from the Seriese and the rest is Spiratone
(lens is the same) 
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
up -> Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 2.8/135
down -> Meyer-Optik Görlitz Orestor 2.8/100
the light is different but no problems!
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Minolfan wrote:
Must be a very hot thing Metallaro, this 100mm  , lots of snow disappearing when you use it! |
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
Orestor is a monster of sharpness...it can fight against Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 2.8/135 
what are the main differences of Orestor 2.8/100 (zebra and non-zebra) ?
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ducdao wrote:
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up -> Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 2.8/135
down -> Meyer-Optik Görlitz Orestor 2.8/100
the light is different but no problems! |
No sure what are you trying to compare here. If sharpness, these pictures don't prove anything. We need 100% crop.
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
one is a 135mm...the second is a 100mm...
100%...the shot taken with 135mm will be more enlarged !!!!
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Pancolart wrote:
Metallaro1980 please turn your noise reduction off.
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
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| Metallaro1980 please turn your noise reduction off. |
i don't understand you
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Pancolart wrote:
On two samples detail is very very smudged by process of noise reduction. Thus one hardly can see any difference.
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
Full Size: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/5459102438/sizes/o/in/photostream/
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Arctures wrote:
Wow thats nice performance. And very nice deal here -
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEYER-OPTIK-GORLITZ-ORESTOR-2-8-100-M42-/270711060192?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item3f07a2f6e0#ht_1533wt_1141
I am sure those scratches doesn't affect the image.
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metallaro1980
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metallaro1980 wrote:
http://rapidshare.com/files/452370572/IMG_3972.CR2
Meyer Optik Görlitz Orestor 2.8/100 the right name -.-
for me is good...
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Rollei QBM: 135 2.8 Rolleinar (Leitax), 50 1.4 HFT
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M42: Helios 50 2.0, Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-21 200 4.0
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