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quicksilver86
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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: Help please I'm looking for a sharp cheapo lens |
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quicksilver86 wrote:
Hi to all.
I was planning to buy some couple of manual focus lens in the range of 28mm to 90mm excluding 50mm and I was wondering if there is a lens with moderate luminosity (f/2 of f/2.5 at least) that's as sharp as possible.
I would like to mount it on Canon but I don't have so much budget right now.
Anything to suggest?
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poilu wrote:
welcome quicksilver86
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tamron 90:2.5 or samyang 85:1.4
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symphonic wrote:
if looking for something wide - Zuiko 28/3.5
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quicksilver86
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:37 am Post subject: |
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quicksilver86 wrote:
Thank you for the starting suggest
The zuiko is really that sharp? I also have a Nippon Kogaku 28mm f/3.5 and another 28mm f/2.8 so maybe I'll do better to find another focal length in fact. Unless the Zuiko is sharper.
The Samyang is about 300€?  it's too much for now. I'm not really interested in the tamron ass well because is a macro lens and I have one in that range.
Maybe I can also think about a 20mm f/2.8 or a 60-80mm range f/2... thank you for your help |
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axer wrote:
Nikkor 50mm 1:2 is considered as one of the sharpest 50mm lenses. I own one and I am really happy with the results. It is also quite cheap.
Zuiko 28/3.5 is in my opinion as sharp as Nikkor 28/3.5 AI. It is smaller and lighter, though. |
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Pancolart wrote:
You are 3 years too late. Now some luck will be required since no speedy lens of some quality is cheap anymore. Well, depends also what cheap means for you.
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quicksilver86
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quicksilver86 wrote:
| axer wrote: |
Nikkor 50mm 1:2 is considered as one of the sharpest 50mm lenses. I own one and I am really happy with the results. It is also quite cheap.
Zuiko 28/3.5 is in my opinion as sharp as Nikkor 28/3.5 AI. It is smaller and lighter, though. |
You mean this one?
http://www.destoutz.ch/lens_50mm_f2_742114.html
I have it and I find it not so sharp |
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quicksilver86
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:38 am Post subject: |
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quicksilver86 wrote:
| Pancolart wrote: |
| You are 3 years too late. Now some luck will be required since no speedy lens of some quality is cheap anymore. Well, depends also what cheap means for you. |
You're right... I'm only looking for some piece of glass that performs like a modern AF lens and still cost less... I don't know if it's possible anymore |
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BRunner wrote:
I would suggest C/Y or Rollei Sonnar 2.8/85. Wide open is even sharper than most faster lenses stopped down to same aperture. It has low CA and is even sharper than Tamron 90mm macros and on pair with my APO-Macro-Elmarit (in terms of resolving power, AME is still much better corrected for CAs) .
With little patience, you can get it under 200€.
Even cheaper and super sharp are enlarger lenses, but they are slow, usually f4 and slower.
On the wide angle is better to go with modern lenses.
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Maple Wang wrote:
How about 135mm?
I think it's easier to find a cheap F/2.8 one.
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eddieitman wrote:
Yashica 28mm ML F2.8 can be mounted on Canon
Why discard the 50mm range some great items in there Helios 44m-4 onwards are sharp.
Yashica ML 50's are fantastic there is an F2 on the bay with a damaged filter ring for £10
Tamron Adaptall 28-24mm F2.5 also seem good
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
Ensinor 28mm is an excellent lens and can be picked up quite cheaply. Also sold under the Clubman brand.
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IAZA wrote:
You better mention how much is your budget, not just say; cheapo. Everyone has different opinion about cheap.
my experience;
Cheap for 28mm.... Vivitar has some variant
sharpest I have ... Schneider Kreuznach Curtagon 28/4
35mm
Canon FD 35/2... some variant too, sharp even wide open
Mir 35/2
50mm
Like eddieitman said, Yashica ML 50/2
Zenitar 50/2
90mm
Vega 12b 90/2,8 in P6 mount
maybe 100mm
Canon FD 100/2,8 ssc
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quicksilver86
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| BRunner wrote: |
I would suggest C/Y or Rollei Sonnar 2.8/85. Wide open is even sharper than most faster lenses stopped down to same aperture. It has low CA and is even sharper than Tamron 90mm macros and on pair with my APO-Macro-Elmarit (in terms of resolving power, AME is still much better corrected for CAs) .
With little patience, you can get it under 200€.
Even cheaper and super sharp are enlarger lenses, but they are slow, usually f4 and slower.
On the wide angle is better to go with modern lenses. |
Thank you I will look for this. Do you have a picture?
I don't know how enlarger lenses work or witch kind of converter I need for the 5D |
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quicksilver86
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| Maple Wang wrote: |
How about 135mm?
I think it's easier to find a cheap F/2.8 one. |
I have the canon 135 f/2 so i'm not looking for a 135 unfortunately |
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quicksilver86
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| eddieitman wrote: |
Yashica 28mm ML F2.8 can be mounted on Canon
Why discard the 50mm range some great items in there Helios 44m-4 onwards are sharp.
Yashica ML 50's are fantastic there is an F2 on the bay with a damaged filter ring for £10
Tamron Adaptall 28-24mm F2.5 also seem good |
I have 2 nikkor 50mm a 55mm 2 canon 50mm AF a Sigma one, and the yashica f/1.9 so I'm full of 50s
Can you give the link in private about the yashica you saw on ebay?
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| axer wrote: |
Nikkor 50mm 1:2 is considered as one of the sharpest 50mm lenses. I own one and I am really happy with the results. It is also quite cheap.
Zuiko 28/3.5 is in my opinion as sharp as Nikkor 28/3.5 AI. It is smaller and lighter, though. |
You mean this one?
http://www.destoutz.ch/lens_50mm_f2_742114.html
I have it and I find it not so sharp |
I thought about later, H.C or K version, but yes, it is sharp lens. It sometimes lacks some contrast, which may look like unsharpness. Or you just have a bad copy. |
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quicksilver86
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quicksilver86 wrote:
| IAZA wrote: |
You better mention how much is your budget, not just say; cheapo. Everyone has different opinion about cheap.
my experience;
Cheap for 28mm.... Vivitar has some variant
sharpest I have ... Schneider Kreuznach Curtagon 28/4
35mm
Canon FD 35/2... some variant too, sharp even wide open
Mir 35/2
50mm
Like eddieitman said, Yashica ML 50/2
Zenitar 50/2
90mm
Vega 12b 90/2,8 in P6 mount
maybe 100mm
Canon FD 100/2,8 ssc |
I can't mount Canon FD over Canon EOS
How is the MIR? And how much?
I have 130-170$ to spend |
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quicksilver86
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| axer wrote: |
I thought about later, H.C or K version, but yes, it is sharp lens. It sometimes lacks some contrast, which may look like unsharpness. Or you just have a bad copy. |
I'm sure I don't have a bad copy because I tried also others but it's the worst 50mm in my gear |
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Geoff C. Bassett wrote:
| quicksilver86 wrote: |
Thank you for the starting suggest
The zuiko is really that sharp? I also have a Nippon Kogaku 28mm f/3.5 and another 28mm f/2.8 so maybe I'll do better to find another focal length in fact. Unless the Zuiko is sharper.
The Samyang is about 300€? it's too much for now. I'm not really interested in the tamron ass well because is a macro lens and I have one in that range.
Maybe I can also think about a 20mm f/2.8 or a 60-80mm range f/2... thank you for your help |
Get the Rokinon branded 85mm, exact same lens for less.
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RioRico wrote:
Some fast sharp lenses, none of which cost me much: Kiron 24/2. Komine 28/2. Kiron and Tamron 28/2.5. (Kiron and Komine branded as Vivitar etc.) Nikkor and Takumar 35/2. Takumar and Yashica ML 50/1.4. Nikkor 85/2. Takumar 135/2.5.
Some good sharp lenses, all of which cost very little: Cimko 24/2.8. Chinon, Makinon, Tokina 28/2.8 (may be branded as Access, Focal, Rokinon, Sears, Soligor). Isco Westron, Petri CC, Tokina 35/2.8 (may be branded as Porst, Vivitar). Tomioka 55/1.4 (variously branded). Many 50-55's of f/2 and faster. Many 135/2.8's.
Cheap brands to look for: Sears, Focal, Vivitar, Porst, Soligor. Good luck!
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
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How is the MIR? And how much?
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I see a couple of MIRs right now on Ebay for around $100 USD.
People say nice things about the MIR 37mm f/2.8, maybe someone who has experience will chime in.
The SMC Takumar 28mm f/3.5 is known as a sharp lens. It might be fast enough for you if you're looking for a little wider shots outside. I've got the older non-multicoated version and it's sharp as a tack indoors, outside I have to watch for flare.
http://forum.mflenses.com/smc-pentax-3-5-28-t37769.html
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IAZA wrote:
Mir 35/2, perform as good as Canon FD 35/2
You can see samples of Mir in gallery
In fact I'm selling Canon 35/2 SSC converted to EOS in marketplace here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1146663.html#1146663
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BRunner wrote:
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Thank you I will look for this. Do you have a picture?
I don't know how enlarger lenses work or witch kind of converter I need for the 5D |
Do you mean picture of the lens or made with Sonnar? Bad news is, that Rollei version hits mirror on 5D at longer distances.
Never enlarger lenses usually come in M39 screw mount. But you need focusing helicoid to use them effectively. There is sticky thread somewhere on forum about selecting proper helicoid and lot of threads about enlarger lenses.
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quicksilver86 wrote:
Thank you all for the tips, I will look around for some of them |
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