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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: Pentax SMC Takumar 200/4 |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
Today I received my new lens; a (near) mint Pentax SMC Takumar 200/4 Both the lens, the shade and the pouch look virtually unused, and are in great shape!
I didn't have time for much testing really (first observation; out-of-focus rendering is not as good as the CZJ Sonnar lenses), but here are some initial pictures:
All were shot wide open (f/4) without sharpening applied. The last one was through a window. I'll need some further testing, but my initial impressions are very positive![/img] |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
I still have not had the opportunity to try mine out yet, but I hope it comes ina t least as well as yours. Good samples thank you
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Which camera was used? _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Very nice images!!
Good lens, pretty colors.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
no-X wrote: |
Which camera was used? |
Canon 30D |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57840 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
For me second picture shows lens power, great sharpness! Thank you for sharing! Congrats! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
One more, to show out-of-focus performance:
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Big Dawg
Joined: 28 Jan 2009 Posts: 2530 Location: Thach Alabama
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Big Dawg wrote:
One of my favorite lens. Great photos..thanks for showing these. _________________ Big Dawg |
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
Big Dawg wrote: |
One of my favorite lens. Great photos..thanks for showing these. |
Thank you
I took a lot of pics with this lens today (most of them at f/4). They're here:
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/jthole |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
eeyore_nl wrote: |
Big Dawg wrote: |
One of my favorite lens. Great photos..thanks for showing these. |
Thank you
I took a lot of pics with this lens today (most of them at f/4). They're here:
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/jthole |
Oh lots of good pictures in that link that almost went unnoticed to me!
Please post at least Red and Orchid at 200/8 in our gallery here! They are masterpieces! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Ferrania film is reborn! http://www.filmferrania.it/
Support the Ornano film chemicals company and help them survive!
http://forum.mflenses.com/ornano-chemical-products-t55525.html |
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:56 am Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Oh lots of good pictures in that link that almost went unnoticed to me!
Please post at least Red and Orchid at 200/8 in our gallery here! They are masterpieces! |
Thank you I am happy that you like them. I'm not real fond of that orchid picture, personally.
Last one shot from 30m away, fully open, and a bit USM applied in post processing (radius 1, threshold 10, amount 50%). I am suprised at how good contrast and color already are at f/4. Sharpness does improve a bit stopped down, but color and global contrast don't make a big difference. |
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
All but the last two were made with the SMC 200/4:
http://www.ipernity.com/slideshow?album_id=115122 |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
GREAT work on a lens that I know nothing about! This is the kind of post that equates to a great value to the forum.
Your collection of images has some really classically wonderful shots. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7776 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I just got one of these, and it's rapidly becoming my favorite lens. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Nice ones !
How did you do those pink flowers ? Behind glass ? They are very striking.
The S-M-C Takumar 200/4 is the standard for sharpness for 200mm lenses I believe. I should use mine more, its been sitting in my bag for 30 years. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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nixland
Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 577
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
Hi, I was offered this Takumar 200/4 this morning when I visit the local manual lens shops. How many version of this 200/4? which one is the recommended one?
Thanks. _________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:36 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
There are three versions, two Super-Takumars and one S-M-C Takumar. They all seem to have the same optical formula so the S-M-C would probably be the best, because of the improved coating.
http://www.aohc.it/tak05e.htm
Be careful when you look for the Takumar brand name. Just the word on its own, as you have written, usually refers to the later PK bayonet mount Takumars which are of much lower quality. The worst thing Pentax ever did. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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nixland
Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 577
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
There are three versions, two Super-Takumars and one S-M-C Takumar. They all seem to have the same optical formula so the S-M-C would probably be the best, because of the improved coating.
http://www.aohc.it/tak05e.htm
Be careful when you look for the Takumar brand name. Just the word on its own, as you have written, usually refers to the later PK bayonet mount Takumars which are of much lower quality. The worst thing Pentax ever did. |
Thanks a lot for the information, Peter.
It's in M42 mount by the way. _________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
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pdccameras
Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 826 Location: Putnam, CT
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:11 am Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
Nice images! I really like the bokeh of this lens. In your initial set, the image of the fence post shot through the window has a background which is very much like a traditional "old masters" style hand painted muslin. Perfect for portraits.
I also like the image of the hanging lamp with the out of focus vehicles in the background.
Thank you for sharing.
Paul _________________ Canon 5D Mii, Canon 40D, Canon 350D IR, Sony A7 Mii, Sony Alpha-6000, a ton of lenses: AF & MF and too many cameras to count, all formats: 110 - 4x5. |
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
I already sold this lens, and bought it again ... and now I am contemplating about selling it again
It is an excellent lens, but actually I prefer the Meyer Orestegor 200mm. And I don't see much use for two 200mm lenses; I don't use that focal width very often. _________________ Fujifilm X-Pro2 / Fujifilm X-T1 / some Sonnar & Takumar lenses |
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flashinm
Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Posts: 15
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:22 am Post subject: |
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flashinm wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
There are three versions, two Super-Takumars and one S-M-C Takumar. They all seem to have the same optical formula so the S-M-C would probably be the best, because of the improved coating.
http://www.aohc.it/tak05e.htm
Be careful when you look for the Takumar brand name. Just the word on its own, as you have written, usually refers to the later PK bayonet mount Takumars which are of much lower quality. The worst thing Pentax ever did. |
I'd strongly disagree with that statement. I've tested a lot of Pentax lenses, and many of their best are K mount lenses. The Pentax-A 50mm f1.4 is the best 50mm I've tested and that includes all of the M42 versions, Zeiss planar, OM, Nikon, Yashica, and several others. For the 200mm, the Pentax M is the version to get. This is rather odd as the M lenses are typically the worst of the Pentax's. Look up the Pentax lens database (SPLOSdb) and you'll see that most of their best lenses are K mount lenses. The M42 versions typically offer a little better value though. |
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:37 am Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
flashinm wrote: |
I'd strongly disagree with that statement. I've tested a lot of Pentax lenses, and many of their best are K mount lenses. The Pentax-A 50mm f1.4 is the best 50mm I've tested and that includes all of the M42 versions, Zeiss planar, OM, Nikon, Yashica, and several others. |
Peterqd referred to the K-mount Takumar lenses, I believe.
For some reason, Pentax resurrected that name for a series of low-quality budget lenses. Don't confuse those with the real Takumars! _________________ Fujifilm X-Pro2 / Fujifilm X-T1 / some Sonnar & Takumar lenses |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:38 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
flashinm wrote: |
peterqd wrote: |
There are three versions, two Super-Takumars and one S-M-C Takumar. They all seem to have the same optical formula so the S-M-C would probably be the best, because of the improved coating.
http://www.aohc.it/tak05e.htm
Be careful when you look for the Takumar brand name. Just the word on its own, as you have written, usually refers to the later PK bayonet mount Takumars which are of much lower quality. The worst thing Pentax ever did. |
I'd strongly disagree with that statement. I've tested a lot of Pentax lenses, and many of their best are K mount lenses. The Pentax-A 50mm f1.4 is the best 50mm I've tested and that includes all of the M42 versions, Zeiss planar, OM, Nikon, Yashica, and several others. For the 200mm, the Pentax M is the version to get. This is rather odd as the M lenses are typically the worst of the Pentax's. Look up the Pentax lens database (SPLOSdb) and you'll see that most of their best lenses are K mount lenses. The M42 versions typically offer a little better value though. |
Yes, I was referring specifically to the K mount lenses badged "Takumar (Bayonet)", sometimes called the non-SMC lenses. The Takumar name was discontinued when the K mount was first introduced, but Pentax resurrected it later for this small line of cheap, poor-quality prime and zoom lenses.
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/_non-SMC/index.html
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/zooms/_non-SMC/index.html
These lenses much poorer build quality. They were coated, but not up to the SMC spec, and I imagine the manufacturing quality standard was a lot lower too. I think it was one of a series of terrible marketing decisions by Pentax which ruined their reputation for the highest quality up till then.
I agree with you about the better-quality smc -M and -A lenses though. The 1.4/50 optical design was continued right through from the second version of the M42 Super-Takumar to the Pentax-F version. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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flashinm
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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flashinm wrote:
Oh, my mistake. Carry on then. |
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cheekygeek
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cheekygeek wrote:
If you like the f/4, you may be pleasantly surprised by the Tele-Takumar 200mm f/5.6 (preset). _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
Lenses:
Tele-Takumar: 300mm f6.3; 200mm f5.6; Takumar 200mm f3.5; Takumar 135mm f3.5; Macro-Takumar 50mm f4 (1:1)Super Takumars: 24mm f3.5, 55mm f2.0, 135mm f3.5; S-M-C Takumar 35mm f3.5, 50mm Macro f4.0 (1:2), 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5 (v2); Pentax SMC K 17mm f4 fisheye; Pentax-A: 50mm f1.4, 35-70mm f4; Pentacon: 50mm f1.8; Spiratone 85mm f1.8 (y/s); Vivitar: 85mm f1.8 preset; Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon Electric 35mm f2,4 |
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