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sammo
Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 223 Location: CH and SI
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: Canon FD 200mm f/4 macro |
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sammo wrote:
I haven't seen something written about this lens on the forum. I just bought one at a real bargin price. I didn't know anything about the lens I wasn't really into buying at first as it is an FD, so I cannot use it on EOS. But when I checked out some prices on ebay and forums I just couldn't believe my eyes. Seems that this lens is an incredably good 1:1 macro performer... Maybe I will consider buying a glassless FD-EF and use it just for macro as I already have a 200mm f4 from pentacon. For a similar 1:1 macro I currently use a sonnar 135mm f3.5 with an extender but I don't do a lot of macro. Has anybody any ideas how that setup actually performs compared to what looks to be a top-of-the-line macro?
Has somebody experience with the lens? |
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anscochrome
Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 115 Location: Omaha, NE
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:44 am Post subject: |
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anscochrome wrote:
I do, but my experience was in the film days circa 1977-1983. It was an excellent lens that I underutilized (I thought I would do lots of macro with a lens of this length deicated to it, but didn't.) If the lens were available for, say 50-100 Yankee dollars, I'd think it would be great using a glassless adaptor-you would have a very well corrected lens for closeup use (it should go as low as 1:6 reproduction ratio even with the depth of the adapter taken into account), to a bit beyond 1:1 lifesize. Not a bad price indeed for a dedicated closeup/macro lens.
Please remember though, I have never used one on a modern dslr, so i cannot speak for any performance issues that may be more obvious in digital vs. film usage. Good Luck! |
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sammo
Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 223 Location: CH and SI
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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sammo wrote:
Thanks for info... I might consider buying a glassless adapter just to try the lens. But the prices that it reaches are I just too tempting to sell it. Btw. i paid around 10$ for it |
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
sammo wrote: |
Thanks for info... I might consider buying a glassless adapter just to try the lens. But the prices that it reaches are I just too tempting to sell it. Btw. i paid around 10$ for it |
I have used a glassless adapter to use a Canon FD 50/3.5 macro and Tokina 90/2.5 macro on a Canon 40D, with superb results. Definitely worth it! |
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sammo
Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 223 Location: CH and SI
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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sammo wrote:
I just ordered a glassless adapter. Will report results when I recieve it... |
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sammo
Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 223 Location: CH and SI
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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sammo wrote:
Hi,
I recieved the adapter and till now managed to make just a few test shots.
At f/5.6 and about 1:1.5
Same object but shot with a Sonnar 135mm mounted on bellows (similar exposure and distance to object)
Interesting to see how one performs undercorrected and other overcorrected for spherical aberation...Canon is a lot better, better correction of abberations, produces a smoother background (is this over- or undercorrection?) but regarding sharpness I would say that there is not that much difference as I expected. |
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
I have done this one for one of our members here.
Amazing lens - I have got some samples but I have to dig them out
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
If you don't like it, sell it to an FD mount camera owner! *waves* _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
I have searched for a cheap copy of this macro to convert it to EF mount.
But it seems the Ebay prices does not match my price idea.
Now I even bid on the autofocus Tamron and Sigma 180 f/3.5 macro lenses _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
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sammo
Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 223 Location: CH and SI
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:30 am Post subject: |
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sammo wrote:
I just googled this conversion before I checked this forum Looks very nice, I like it that it is reversible.
Could you provide some more info on the conversion? I did a few till now, currently I am working on one old FD..but it's quite tricky to do it. Is the FD mount just removed and a EF mounted, or some other conversion regarding aperture needs to be done? I also noticed that the square shaped aperture on the back is missing after conversion. What actually is it's purpose? |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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jamaeolus wrote:
I picked up one of the old breach lock versions recently from KEH one of their "bargain". It does have some dings but overall I'd say "very nice" if I were selling it. Glass and function are flawless. I paid 173 USD. As indicated above it is a bear to hand hold. My technique is the "burst shooting mode". Set A7ii to hi speed continuous, get to the best focus you can and hold the button down until the bug is gone, or the camera runs out of buffer. I get one good pic in 30. Just the sharpness for yourself.
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WolverineX
Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1694 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
canon 200mm/4 macro is not that difficult to hand hold and get sharp photos. it's not that heavy lens. it's my auto-include-to-my-bag lens along with nikkor 20mm/4 _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
I found it very difficult to get close ups. Of course I am old and the rock steady grip I had as a youth is long gone. I move to mfd and try to hold that spot, meanwhile the bug is moving, the wind is blowing the plant, even with inanimate objects I can see the peak focus wavering in and out. Especially at wider apertures. Most of those above were taken at F8 or F11. Wide open I couldn't even come close as the depth of field is about a mm thick. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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Roka
Joined: 18 Mar 2016 Posts: 133 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Roka wrote:
Nice shots. I especially like the one with the bee's head inside the flower.
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I found it very difficult to get close ups. Of course I am old and the rock steady grip I had as a youth is long gone. I move to mfd and try to hold that spot, meanwhile the bug is moving, the wind is blowing the plant, even with inanimate objects I can see the peak focus wavering in and out. Especially at wider apertures. Most of those above were taken at F8 or F11. Wide open I couldn't even come close as the depth of field is about a mm thick. |
I know what you mean. I'm not a youngster anymore either but even someone with tripod-like steadiness will have problems shooting macros wide open on live subjects. With my fast lenses it's even tough when the subject ISN'T moving.
As a side note I see that this thread was started in 2012 and the OP paid $10 for their Canon 200mm f4 macro. They're current selling on the Bay in the $300 - $400 range. _________________
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Musashichan
Joined: 18 Nov 2015 Posts: 96
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Musashichan wrote:
Is it just me or none of those picture is correct (no sharpness, bad bokeh and lot of CA...), especially for a macro ? _________________ Visit my website : http://www.vintagephotography.fr
Flikr : https://www.flickr.com/photos/60427575@N08/ |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7548 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I have received my copy. Will bring it out later when I get the adapter.... _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Anybody else agree with Musashichan. I am genuinely curious. As stated these are JPG's unedited beyond resize. So really they show the lens character. Are all those people paying 200 to 300 for this lens crazy. I'll admit my photography is decidedly amateur (that's why I make my money selling drugs......................as a pharmacist) . I have taken photos on a tripod using a remote and they are not remarkably sharper than these so....? _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3209 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
jamaeolus wrote: |
Anybody else agree with Musashichan. I am genuinely curious. As stated these are JPG's unedited beyond resize. So really they show the lens character. Are all those people paying 200 to 300 for this lens crazy. I'll admit my photography is decidedly amateur (that's why I make my money selling drugs......................as a pharmacist) . I have taken photos on a tripod using a remote and they are not remarkably sharper than these so....? |
I'm with him. Moved pics. Shot in sunlight probably around noon. Smudged details.
I know sharpness tend to be overrated but boy, this is a macro lens. Sharpness is a must in this case.
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Musashichan
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Musashichan wrote:
Even first shoots at 5.6 are really bad for a macro lens, i have a perfect sharpness with my average lenses at 5.6... _________________ Visit my website : http://www.vintagephotography.fr
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7548 Location: Hong Kong
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calvin83 wrote:
Assume you have set the right focal length in the IBIS setting, I think the sharpness of second last set is OK. A higher shutter speed may be benefit to achieve better sharpness on some of photos. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Yes, noonish. I don't have many other opportunities as work interferes. I appreciate the feedback. Trying to learn how its done! _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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Koen Nhz
Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 84 Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Koen Nhz wrote:
I'm afraid I must agree that all shots seem to have obvious (movement) blur.
These were handheld and I can't see the EXIF, so what were the shutter speeds?
On my A7 I seem to need at least double the shutter speeds I needed with my Canon 40D (which has about the same pixel density, so that shouldn't matter here), especially with longer or heavier lenses. For a 200mm macro I would try to keep it at least above 1/400 but preferably above 1/800 or even faster if possible!
Did you switch on EFC, that could also help with longer lenses.
But what looks more worrying to me is the state of your sensor, it almost looks like you wet cleaned it with the wrong product? _________________ Sony α7, 28-70 | Minolta Rokkor 58 1.2 | CZ 35 2.8, 50 1.7, 135 2.8 | Canon 40D, nFD 20 2.8, 70-210 4, 300 4 L, FD SSC: 24 2.8, 35 2.8 TS, 50 3.5 Macro, 55 1.2 ASPH, 100 2.8, 80-200 4, 200 2.8, 500 8 Reflex | Vivitar S1 90 2.5 | Nikkor 105 1.8 | Takumar 50 1.4, 55 1.8, 135 2.5 & 3.5 | Tair 300 4.5 | ... |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
The sensor is an issue. What do you recommend? _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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Koen Nhz
Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 84 Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Koen Nhz wrote:
To be honest, I have no idea, what happened to it?
I think the safest way is to find a store that can clean it, or perhaps even send it in, but I guess it depends on how it happened, or what's on it, if it could etch the coatings of the sensor, the faster it's cleaned off the better I think..
Good luck with it! _________________ Sony α7, 28-70 | Minolta Rokkor 58 1.2 | CZ 35 2.8, 50 1.7, 135 2.8 | Canon 40D, nFD 20 2.8, 70-210 4, 300 4 L, FD SSC: 24 2.8, 35 2.8 TS, 50 3.5 Macro, 55 1.2 ASPH, 100 2.8, 80-200 4, 200 2.8, 500 8 Reflex | Vivitar S1 90 2.5 | Nikkor 105 1.8 | Takumar 50 1.4, 55 1.8, 135 2.5 & 3.5 | Tair 300 4.5 | ... |
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
I used a proprietary product designed for cleaning sensors ( I don't recall which one) as it had giant blobs of dust or something that would not come off with air jets or sensor clean function. _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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