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CHINON lenses COMPLETE LIST OF PRIMES M42 & PK
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 28 and the 135 with the green unequal diamond focusing mark are almost certainly Cimko lenses, that distinctive mark is found on many rebranded lenses.


Here's some of my Chinon's, I sold a tapered Chinon 200 and regret it, it was a very good lens. I still have the 300 though.


Chinon 300 / 5.6

Tamron version.


An early zoom, the 35 - 100 / 3.5 - 4.3. Also a Cimko lens, and very good.


Chinon 200 / 3.5 with a Canon tripod mount. I sold this one recently, it was very average.


CE4S & CE5 with lenses.


Chinon CS with 200 / 3.5 & 28 / 2.8


Chinon 50 / 1.7



Chinon CX with 55 / 1.7


I've got a couple of 28 / 2.8's ( Tomioka ? ) as well, one is a bit rough cosmetically but ok optically that I'm selling cheaply. I bought a bag of stuff recently and there was a lot of Chinon in it including a CE4 camera that is not working and the scruffy 28.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this one is missing from the list:
http://forum.mflenses.com/chinon-auto-m42-50mm-1-7-m42-pin-t79020.html


PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe there was a Chinon 55mm f1.2 in PK mount. This lens was designed by Tomioka and sold also under the names Revuenon and Cosina (not Cosinon, which was the named used for the M42 version with the cut rear element and sold as Yashinon, Tominon, Revuenon, Chinon and Cosinon). Or am I incorrect about the PK version being branded Chinon?


PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have got a Chinon 50mm f/2 with fake leather covering the focus ring. The infinity mark is a red round dot, same as my Chinon 55mm f/1.4 (one has Tomioka on the name ring; one doesn't). Not to say the 50mm f/2 is also a Tomioka but to say the 50mm f/2 is at least in the same era as the 55mm f/1.4.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe at some point production of normal lenses for Chinon went over from Tomioka to Cosina. So the 55mm 1.4 design can be seen in Tomioka (red diamond) and Cosina (red llollipop) livery. In the transitional period Cosina produced lenses (at least the Cosinon brand) had Tomioka written on them to signify it's legacy. The 50mm lenses 1.7,1.4, 1.9 are I think redesigns of the earlier 55mm 1.4 and 55mm 1.7 from Tomioka. This transition happened I think because Tomioka (owned by Yashica) was focussing on industrial optics. It is still part of Kyocera.

It seems Chinon also still exists. In 1997 it was taken over by Eastman Kodak (we all know how that went..) Now it still a website selling Chinon branded electronic gadgets and photographic accessories for the Japanese market. http://chinon.co.jp http://chinon.jp/ http://shop.chinon.co.jp/


PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:19 am    Post subject: what is in a name? Reply with quote

It is perfectly possible to merge or split a company and keep the valuable name bits (example the Leitz+ Kern saga and the Leica for fashionistas period) or to ditch less profitable bits and sell off the name (example; Francke&Heideckes finish), so someone may have seen an opportunity when Kodak went broke.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D1N0 wrote:
I believe at some point production of normal lenses for Chinon went over from Tomioka to Cosina. So the 55mm 1.4 design can be seen in Tomioka (red diamond) and Cosina (red llollipop) livery. In the transitional period Cosina produced lenses (at least the Cosinon brand) had Tomioka written on them to signify it's legacy. The 50mm lenses 1.7,1.4, 1.9 are I think redesigns of the earlier 55mm 1.4 and 55mm 1.7 from Tomioka. This transition happened I think because Tomioka (owned by Yashica) was focussing on industrial optics. It is still part of Kyocera.

It seems Chinon also still exists. In 1997 it was taken over by Eastman Kodak (we all know how that went..) Now it still a website selling Chinon branded electronic gadgets and photographic accessories for the Japanese market. http://chinon.co.jp http://chinon.jp/ http://shop.chinon.co.jp/


Thanks for the information and the history. I had thought the "red lollipop" is Tomioka.

1. Tomioka's own lens has the red lollipop. Although Cosina also have the red lollipop, but the DOF scale is different.
2. Lollipop versions of Chinon usually have the fake leather, which seems older to me than the rubber leather pattern focus ring which has the red diamond.

Anyway, might not be very important to dig out, as long as they are fun lenses to use. Smile


PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D1N0 wrote:
MrKodak wrote:
and a 40-105mm,


Interesting. There is no Tamron with that range, but It must be The 38-100mm 1:3.5 adaptall I guess


I haven't got a clue, I have seen that lens too, the consensus seems to be that the conical with Oly-like diamond-shaped rubber waffle grip is Tamron.

The Expert branded lens I have seen on eBay as Chinon and here too: http://m42lens.com/m42-lens-database/289-chinon-zoom-multi-coated-40-105mm-f-3-5-22


PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vivaldibow wrote:
I have got a Chinon 50mm f/2 with fake leather covering the focus ring. The infinity mark is a red round dot, same as my Chinon 55mm f/1.4 (one has Tomioka on the name ring; one doesn't). Not to say the 50mm f/2 is also a Tomioka but to say the 50mm f/2 is at least in the same era as the 55mm f/1.4.


Is it any good? I made an offer in an auction but someone outbid me quite soon. Don't know whether I want to take it further.


PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D1N0 wrote:
vivaldibow wrote:
I have got a Chinon 50mm f/2 with fake leather covering the focus ring. The infinity mark is a red round dot, same as my Chinon 55mm f/1.4 (one has Tomioka on the name ring; one doesn't). Not to say the 50mm f/2 is also a Tomioka but to say the 50mm f/2 is at least in the same era as the 55mm f/1.4.


Is it any good? I made an offer in an auction but someone outbid me quite soon. Don't know whether I want to take it further.


Decent sharpness, on par with my recently acquired Yashica 5cm f/2. Color rendition is solid.


#1


My usual scene of testing a lens.


PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vivaldibow wrote:
D1N0 wrote:
vivaldibow wrote:
I have got a Chinon 50mm f/2 with fake leather covering the focus ring. The infinity mark is a red round dot, same as my Chinon 55mm f/1.4 (one has Tomioka on the name ring; one doesn't). Not to say the 50mm f/2 is also a Tomioka but to say the 50mm f/2 is at least in the same era as the 55mm f/1.4.


Is it any good? I made an offer in an auction but someone outbid me quite soon. Don't know whether I want to take it further.


Decent sharpness, on par with my recently acquired Yashica 5cm f/2. Color rendition is solid.




Looks good and now you said that I compared it to My Yashinon 50mm 1:1.7 It looks virtually identical apart from the 1.7 and the faux leather focus ring rubber. It must be a batch of re badged Yashinons. Tomioka probably made those as well since Yashica owned them. Well that serves my curiosity well enough. I don't need to buy it now Wink

My Yashinon:
Auto Yashinon-DS 50mm 1:1.7 by The lens profile, on Flickr

The Chinon in question:


PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D1N0 wrote:


Looks good and now you said that I compared it to My Yashinon 50mm 1:1.7 It looks virtually identical apart from the 1.7 and the faux leather focus ring rubber. It must be a batch of re badged Yashinons. Tomioka probably made those as well since Yashica owned them. Well that serves my curiosity well enough. I don't need to buy it now Wink


Good I saved you some funds on other lenses. Laugh 1

I bumped into it very occasionally and it seems quite uncommon. I was thinking it was the redecessor of the 50mm f/1.9. But really not sure.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D1N0 wrote:
vivaldibow wrote:
D1N0 wrote:
vivaldibow wrote:
I have got a Chinon 50mm f/2 with fake leather covering the focus ring. The infinity mark is a red round dot, same as my Chinon 55mm f/1.4 (one has Tomioka on the name ring; one doesn't). Not to say the 50mm f/2 is also a Tomioka but to say the 50mm f/2 is at least in the same era as the 55mm f/1.4.


Is it any good? I made an offer in an auction but someone outbid me quite soon. Don't know whether I want to take it further.


Decent sharpness, on par with my recently acquired Yashica 5cm f/2. Color rendition is solid.




Looks good and now you said that I compared it to My Yashinon 50mm 1:1.7 It looks virtually identical apart from the 1.7 and the faux leather focus ring rubber. It must be a batch of re badged Yashinons. Tomioka probably made those as well since Yashica owned them. Well that serves my curiosity well enough. I don't need to buy it now Wink

My Yashinon:
Auto Yashinon-DS 50mm 1:1.7 by The lens profile, on Flickr

The Chinon in question:


That was a very clean and beautiful Yashinon lens. I like their mechanical design or should I say exterior cosmetics perhaps.
Interesting, but that confirms as Chinon was buying a lot from Tomioka.
But this lens predates the Yashica purchase of Tomioka by some years I believe, I can't remember when exactly but this must have been from before that.