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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:32 am    Post subject: Which lens makers produced 58mm lenses for 35mm film cameras Reply with quote
Title says it all.
Google is a dog's breakfast in answer to this question, so I thought that I would ask the brains-trust.
Any and all please if you can remember them.
Thank you for your expertise and superior grey matter.
OH

And an afterthought:
Why 58mm?
Diagonal of 36X24 film frame is 43.3mm -ish.
58mm seems quite long for a "standard lens"
Cheers
OH

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Topcor RE 58mm in f1.4 and f1.8 comes to mind (as I have both) as well as the Minolta Rokkor 58mm f1.2 and f1.4 and the Nikkor 58mm f1.4 plus NOCT f1.2 and of course the elusive Sonnar type Pentax Takumar 58mm f/2 (that I'm very happy to also have). But don't forget the KMZ Helios 44-2 58mm F/2 and Voigtlander Nokton 58mm f/1.4 (man, there are so many the longer I think about that...the Meyer Primoplan 58mm f1.9 and Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58mm f2 that I also have btw.)

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Iv'e heard they made fast lenses 55-58mm becaus of engeneering limits at the time that prevented them from making 50's.

Can't add any more lenses after the previous post Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Found till now:
Minolta Rokkor 1.2 en 1.4
Nikon Nikkor-Noct 1.2
Nikon AF-S 1.8G en 1.4
Zeiss Biotar 2.0
KMZ, Valdai Helios 2.0
Meyer Primoplan 1.9
Canon FL 1.2
Canon Super Canomatic 1.2
Topcon Topcor 1.8, 1.4, 3.5 macro
Cosina Voigtländer Nokton 1.4
Haiou 64 2.0

Maybe there are a lot more?

Well, Klaus you are faster, it seems you only had to look in your closet?!


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Minolfan wrote:
Found till now:
Minolta Rokkor 1.2 en 1.4
Nikon Nikkor-Noct 1.2
Nikon AF-S 1.8G en 1.4
Zeiss Biotar 2.0
KMZ, Valdai Helios 2.0
Meyer Primoplan 1.9
Canon FL 1.2
Canon Super Canomatic 1.2
Topcon Topcor 1.8, 1.4, 3.5 macro
Cosina Voigtländer Nokton 1.4
Haiou 64 2.0

Maybe there are a lot more?

Well, Klaus you are faster, it seems you only had to look in your closet?!


Looking in my closet(s) takes way to long as there sit 600++ lenses... my brain is way faster Wink


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Most brands made a 58mm or close to it, they were the first fast lenses for SLR's.
Canon FL 58/1.2
Nikkor 58/1.2 Noct
Nikkor S 58/1.4
Topcor 58/1.4 & 1.8
Rokkor 58/1.2 & 1.4
Zeiss Biotar 58/2 & Helios 44 58/2
Voigtlander Nokton 58 mm F1.4
The new Nikkor 58/1.4 G
Asahi Kogaku Takumar lens 58mm/F2.4


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Which lens makers produced 58mm lenses for 35mm film cam Reply with quote
Oldhand wrote:

Why 58mm?
Diagonal of 36X24 film frame is 43.3mm -ish.
58mm seems quite long for a "standard lens"
Cheers
OH

http://www.nikkor.com/story/0049/


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
bernhardas wrote:
Konica hexanon 58 1.2

And I don't know if you want to count the Konica Hexanon 57 1.4 and 57 1.8?


It was /is a 57mm 1.2, close enough tough, just why did Konica chose the fl?


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Which lens makers produced 58mm lenses for 35mm film cam Reply with quote
Oldhand wrote:

Why 58mm?
Diagonal of 36X24 film frame is 43.3mm -ish.
58mm seems quite long for a "standard lens"


Why a 58mm focal length:

"In general, the brighter the lens, the thicker it is. Thus its overall length is increased and the back focus is shortened. In the end the designers decided to make the focal length 8mm longer, so as to ensure the required back focus.

The focal length of 5.8cm represented a trade-off between the decline in performance caused by ensuring the necessary back focus and the need to set a focal length that still fell within the range that would allow the lens to be termed a standard lens."

Excerpt from: NIKKOR - The Thousand and One Nights.
Tale no. 40 - The first f/1.4 lens for use with the Nikon F series
Nikkor-S Auto 5.8cmm f/1.4
http://www.nikkor.com/story/0040/


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's a rather ancient Mamiya-Sekor 58/1.7, although I haven't got a clue who actually made it.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was going to mention that Mamiya but you beat me to it. It was an F.C. series lens for the Prismat.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Which lens makers produced 58mm lenses for 35mm film cam Reply with quote
Lightshow wrote:
Oldhand wrote:

Why 58mm?
Diagonal of 36X24 film frame is 43.3mm -ish.
58mm seems quite long for a "standard lens"
Cheers
OH

http://www.nikkor.com/story/0049/


very interesting!

To make a normal ( or shorter ) SLR lens with Sonnar must be specially difficult, it is said that the above mentioned, 'elusive' Takumar f2/58mm is the only one ever made, and that one was only made for less than a year

to mention that if nowadays used an APS-C sensor a 58mm comes closer to a 85mm traditional portrait lens on FF than a 50mm, if x1.5 abt. 87mm vs. 75mm, a 57mm makes 85.5mm, a 55mm 82.5mm


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Sonnar design is telecentric in nature, so it lends itself to longer lenses.

However, Zeiss have made some mildly wide Sonnars for fixed applications, such as the 2.8/28 on the Contax Tix. However, that is not really a wide angle as it's an APS camera and most APS compacts sported 24 or 25mm lenses.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Sonnar design is telecentric in nature, so it lends itself to longer lenses.

I think it's just the opposite. Classic normal Sonnar lenses have a very short back focal length, which is not a problem in a rangefinder camera but make them impractical in a SLR.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photographic_lens_design#The_Ernostar_and_the_Sonnar

The Sonnar was (and is) also popular as a telephoto lens design – the Sonnar is always at least slightly telephoto because of its powerful front positive elements.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
However, Zeiss have made some mildly wide Sonnars for fixed applications, such as the 2.8/28 on the Contax Tix. However, that is not really a wide angle as it's an APS camera and most APS compacts sported 24 or 25mm lenses.

We have to remember that "Sonnar" is not only a type of lens design but also a Trademark owned by Zeiss. And Zeiss can use it any way that they wish. So that the 2.8/28 lens used in the Contax Tix has a 6/4 configuration and is close to a Planar (Double Gauss) in design even though it is labelled "Sonnar".


PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Which lens makers produced 58mm lenses for 35mm film cam Reply with quote
Thank you all for the feedback.

Lightshow wrote:
Oldhand wrote:

Why 58mm?
Diagonal of 36X24 film frame is 43.3mm -ish.
58mm seems quite long for a "standard lens"
Cheers
OH

http://www.nikkor.com/story/0049/


Thank you lightshow for the link - most interesting.

Thanks Ian for the reference to the ancient Mamiya 1.7/58 - parentage unknown.
Here is a picture of said relic. Anyone like to take a stab at the maker ...........
OH




PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
bernhardas wrote:
Konica hexanon 58 1.2

And I don't know if you want to count the Konica Hexanon 57 1.4 and 57 1.8?


Actually, the Hexanon 58/1.2 probably doesn't exist. It appears in a vary early brochure (~1967), but no one has ever seen one to the best of my knowledge. Many in the Konica community think it may have been a typo, as Konica literature is often quite sloppily edited. The Hexanon 57/1.2 came out at around that time and is most likely the lens in question. As everyone was making 58s, I assume Konica decided to be different... Smile

Also, there is no Hexanon 57/1.8. There is a 52/1.8, also from this period, and a 50/1.8 made by Tokina from 1981 on.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Which lens makers produced 58mm lenses for 35mm film cam Reply with quote
Oldhand wrote:
Thanks Ian for the reference to the ancient Mamiya 1.7/58 - parentage unknown.
Here is a picture of said relic. Anyone like to take a stab at the maker ...........
OH


Old Hand,

If Mamiya did not make it themselves, perhaps Nittoh Kogaku or Tomioka. I have examples of the Mamiya 1.7/58 in Mamiya Prismat-Sears Tower Exacta type mount and in Mamiya-Argus bayonet mount. I assume yours is M-42.
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