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Pit
Joined: 03 Oct 2010 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: Which mf macro? |
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Pit wrote:
I was thinking of purchasing a macro glass for my canon 5D but I would not use it much to justiy spending more than 200-300 usd. And would love to try an older mf lens. Since I shoot FF I think a 135mm or longer would be in order, any suggestions? |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57840 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Longer macro lenses are usually more expensive than shorter one and their image quality is weaker also.
So think about twice you really need longer lens than shorter ?
Generally all dedicated macro lenses are good no matter it is made by top maker or third party one.
Naturally top makers are usually better, but no big difference between them.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
For that money you should be able to find a Micro-Nikkor 60mm
Excellent lens. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Orio's right
patrickh
or you might try the enlarging lens/bellows route. _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:02 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I would also suggest a set of bellows and a few different enlarger lenses for diffent focal lengths. Other possibilities are extension tubes or lens reversing rings.
I use all of the above plus a 90mm Tamron macro, which makes a great lens on a FF body. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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symphonic
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 550 Location: SE Europe, Croatia
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: |
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symphonic wrote:
Here's an affordable Tamron 90/2.5 52B.
Click here to see on Ebay
It's a 1:2 macro, so you'd need to use extension tube or a suitable TC to reach 1:1. _________________ Toni,
EOS 450D
CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 MC | Pancolar 50/1.8 MC
Contax Planar 50/1.4 AEJ | Contax Sonnar 135/2.8 AEJ
Yashica ML 28/2.8 | Zuiko 28/3.5
Vivitar Series1 105/2.5 OM
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jjphoto
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 406
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:06 am Post subject: |
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jjphoto wrote:
Enlarger lenses and bellows are a very good option.
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:44 am Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
For a 5D I would definitely go for at least a 90mm focal length and nothing shorter. There isn't much to choose from between 105 and 180mm though, within your budget.
If you don't mind using a big lens, the Mamiya 645 120/4 macro is the best option. It's capable of a 1:1 reproduction ratio and has truly excellent IQ (better than Tamron/Vivitar/Tokina etc. 90-105mm lenses according to some). It's nearly apochromatic (uses SLD glass). Price-performance ratio is really good, as it often goes for low prices. |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
S-M-C Macro Takumar 100/4 _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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womble
Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Posts: 987 Location: Hertfordshire
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: |
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womble wrote:
no-X wrote: |
S-M-C Macro Takumar 100/4 |
+1 _________________ Kris Lockyear
Digital: Pentax K-3iii
35mm film SLRs: various Pentax bodies from a H2 to a SF7, favourites the MX and LX
Rangefinder: Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, FED2, Zorkii-4, Industar 26m, Jupiter 8, 11 and 12 lenses
Medium format: various folders, Yashica Mat 124 G. Lubitel 2
LF: Horseman LE 5x4 view camera.
MF lenses (favourites) Pentax "K" 200mm f/2.5; "K" 135mm f/2.5; "K" 50mm f/1.2; "K" 35mm f/2; "K" 30mm f/2.8; "K" 28mm f/3.5 shift; "K" 15mm f/3.5; M 100mm f/2.8; M 40mm f/2.8; Jupiter-9 85mm |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10469 Location: Greece
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
welcome Pit
have a nice stay with us
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ellepi
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 486 Location: Treviso - Italia
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: |
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ellepi wrote:
Bellows-Takumar 100/4 or S-M-C- bellows TAKUMAR 100/4 with its bellows of course _________________ M42 | Super Takumar 20/4, 28/3.5, 35/3.5, 55/1.8, 105/2.8, 135/3.5, 200/4 - Tair-11A - Helios-44M - Mir-1B
K | Pentax M40/2.8, K 55/2, A 50/1.7, M 50/1.7, M 135/3.5 - Jupiter 37-AM
Micro nikkor 60/2.8
Mamiya 645 | Sekor 24/4, 55/2.8, 80/2.8, 210/4 |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3436 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
Minolta Rokkor TC 135/4.0 bellows preset lens is a very good option IMO. |
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
Minolfan wrote: |
Minolta Rokkor TC 135/4.0 bellows preset lens is a very good option IMO. |
The Olympus 135/4.5 with the 65-116mm telescopic extension tube is nicer to use handheld than bellows. I've seen wonderful images from it. |
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cambug
Joined: 06 Jun 2010 Posts: 91
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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cambug wrote:
There are not many macro lenses longer than 100mm to chose from, consider having a Canon FF camera body, it would be easier to adapt a lens if one of the following lens mount is chosen: Nikon, M42, Olympus, Leica R.
Some third party lenses are having good reputation, like Vivitar series 1 and Tamron Adaptall, their 90mm are good choices. The ultimate macro could be the Leica Apo Macro Elmarit 100mm f2.8, with a price tag to match however. There is a large selection of enlarging lenses to chose from for macro application, quite a few are with Apo designation. While it is a lower cost alternative, the use however is very much limited to be used with a bellow on tripod. If on tripod and slower operation are not problems, then and additional benefits could be better control of image sharpness with bellow equipped with tilt / shift operation. Have fun searching. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
All good suggestions above.
Me, I have a crop-body EOS, but I'm happy with the results I've gotten with my old Micro Nikkor 55mm f/3.5, my Tamron 90mm f/2.5 52B, and my Vivitar S1 100mm f/2.5. Any of these lenses, including the Tokina and/or Vivitar 90mm macros should do you just fine. And yes, I would also strongly consider getting a bellows. It really opens up the macro possibilities for you. Since you're shooting EOS, I'd recommend a bellows using Nikon mount, which I feel is most flexible in terms of offerings -- both with regards to the various bellows that have been manufactured and with regards to the lenses that are available.
Another item that you should consider is a macro-focusing stage. This is of great help when you're trying to get the focus and composition just right when doing high-magnification photography. I recently bought one from an eBay seller (in Hong Kong) and am pleased with the quality of the unit. _________________ Michael
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Pit
Joined: 03 Oct 2010 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Pit wrote:
Although I would like to try a bellows setup, it would cost me a fair bit to get good mounting hardware and such. I don't need true 1:1 but it would be nice easily obtainable true extension tubes. What I want is a fair priced lens that can be easily adapted to EF mount. |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3436 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
Bellows in M42 are not expensive and easy to adapt to Canon EF. Lots of macro lenses can be fit on that. The 135mm Rokkor I meant before has M39, just like a number of enlarger lenses. M39 to M42 is very cheap. |
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cheekygeek
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 183
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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cheekygeek wrote:
Incredibly great bang-for-the-buck macro (IMHO) is the Tamron SP 90mm f2.5. It will only go 1:2 without a 2x teleconverter or extension, however.
Another wonderful 1:2 macro lens is the 50mm f4 S-M-C Takumar. One of my favs. _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
Lenses:
Tele-Takumar: 300mm f6.3; 200mm f5.6; Takumar 200mm f3.5; Takumar 135mm f3.5; Macro-Takumar 50mm f4 (1:1)Super Takumars: 24mm f3.5, 55mm f2.0, 135mm f3.5; S-M-C Takumar 35mm f3.5, 50mm Macro f4.0 (1:2), 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5 (v2); Pentax SMC K 17mm f4 fisheye; Pentax-A: 50mm f1.4, 35-70mm f4; Pentacon: 50mm f1.8; Spiratone 85mm f1.8 (y/s); Vivitar: 85mm f1.8 preset; Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon Electric 35mm f2,4 |
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indianadinos
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 1310 Location: Toulouse, France
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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indianadinos wrote:
womble wrote: |
no-X wrote: |
S-M-C Macro Takumar 100/4 |
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+1 _________________ Please visit my blogs Shooting with a Pentax K10D / FF Visions
Takumar: 24/3.5, 28/3.5, 35/2, 35/3.5, 50/1.4, 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 105/2.8, 120/2.8, 135/3.5, 150/4, 200/4
Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M & 44M-2, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
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RioRico
Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 1120 Location: California or Guatemala or somewhere
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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RioRico wrote:
cheekygeek wrote: |
Another wonderful 1:2 macro lens is the 50mm f4 S-M-C Takumar. One of my favs. |
Asahi made two versions. The S-M-C and Super Takumar (ver.2) are 1:2. The non-Super (ver.1) is 1:1 without added extension. I got mine for US$45 a couple months ago. I was lucky and the lens was a bit dinged up front, but who puts filters on a macro lens? AND I LOVE IT!
My other great bargain was an M42 Vivitar-Kiron 90/2.8 for US$3 -- missing its knurled rubber focusing grip, which I replaced with duct tape. Looks bad, works just fine, goes 1:1, weighs 470g / 1 lb. Don't leave home without it.
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I'll echo others above and recommend bellows, with enlarger lenses, and/or mount reversal ring(s). Standard lenses from ANY MAKER can be reversed for macros. Note that the working distance for any reversed lens is its registration (mount-to-frame distance) which for 135 cams is under 50mm / 2 inches. The closest working distance for a non-reversed lens is its focal length. When I want to stay 6+ inches from a subject, I use a 162/4.5 Wollensak enlarging lens (EL) on bellows and I also use it for non-macro shots. My M42 bellows cost about US$35; the Wolly was US$7; tubes to stretch the extension to 160mm were another US$8. So that's US$50 for a flexible setup.
Why reverse lenses, or use enlarger lenses? Sharpness and cheapness. Medium-format EL's especially will project an edge-to-edge sharp image to a 135 or APS-C frame, but all EL's (except those meant for 110 or similar tiny formats) should be good there. EL's longer than 75mm can focus to infinity on most bellows; shorter glass is for closeups only, due to the thickness of the bellows. A fine Nikkor EL 50/2.8 or 80/5.6 or 105/5.6 can usually be had for well under US$20, including shipping. _________________ Too many film+digi cams+lenses, oh my -- Pentax K20D, K-1000, M42s, more
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cheekygeek
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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cheekygeek wrote:
The only issue I have with bellows (in combination with a digital SLR) is dust. Film camera? No worries. _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
Lenses:
Tele-Takumar: 300mm f6.3; 200mm f5.6; Takumar 200mm f3.5; Takumar 135mm f3.5; Macro-Takumar 50mm f4 (1:1)Super Takumars: 24mm f3.5, 55mm f2.0, 135mm f3.5; S-M-C Takumar 35mm f3.5, 50mm Macro f4.0 (1:2), 50mm f1.4, 135mm f2.5 (v2); Pentax SMC K 17mm f4 fisheye; Pentax-A: 50mm f1.4, 35-70mm f4; Pentacon: 50mm f1.8; Spiratone 85mm f1.8 (y/s); Vivitar: 85mm f1.8 preset; Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon Electric 35mm f2,4 |
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Swappo
Joined: 02 Apr 2009 Posts: 327 Location: Sweden
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Swappo wrote:
Canon FD 200/4 Macro is long.
It does not focus to infinity with an adapter without glass, but if you want it for macro it might not be a big problem.
The lens is supposed to be possible to convert to Canon EF mount with infinity focus.
I bought lens relativly cheap a while ago and planning to investigate the possibility to convert it later. It would be a perfect macro for shooting butterflys and other shy insects. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
The Canon FD 200mm f/4 is uncommon but is a great performer. Good find! And well worth doing the conversion to EOS, in my opinion. _________________ Michael
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RioRico
Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 1120 Location: California or Guatemala or somewhere
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RioRico wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
The Canon FD 200mm f/4 is uncommon but is a great performer. Good find! And well worth doing the conversion to EOS, in my opinion. |
I bought batches of lenses on a buying spree a couple years ago. One such lot was a group of Canon FD lenses including the 200/4 macro. I paid US$9 each for those FDs. I have no camera for them, so I just sold them all on eBay. The 200/4 macro went for US$25. I made a $16 profit!! Everybody is happy, except maybe the guy who sold them for $9 each... _________________ Too many film+digi cams+lenses, oh my -- Pentax K20D, K-1000, M42s, more
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