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steevithak
Joined: 21 Apr 2011 Posts: 27 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:06 am Post subject: Sankyo Kohki Komura 105mm f/2 |
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steevithak wrote:
I recently picked up a Sankyo Kohki Komura 105mm f/2 lens at an estate sale. It's an M42 mount preset with 12 blade aperture. Here's a link to a flickr set that has photos of the lens itself, and photos taken with the lens on Canon 40D and with a Vivitar 220/SL film camera.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steevithak/sets/72157630257985344/
I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the lens. It's a little soft wide open but actually quite sharp once you stop down. And it seems to provide good contrast and bright colors. It suffers a little from glare (which can be seen in the film shots, taken on a bright day). It probably just needs a good lens hood to solve that. I noticed there wasn't a page for this lens at Camera-Wiki, so I started one. Not much on it yet but maybe somebody else knows more about the lens than I do:
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Komura_105mm_f/2.0
-Steve
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Smoli4
Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Posts: 606 Location: Haifa, Israel
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Smoli4 wrote:
very nice set! i liked it alot. thanks for sharing. and thank for the info about the lens. _________________ Canon 6D + Mir 24, SMC Tak 50 f1.4, 135 f2.5 V2, Tamron SP 90mm f2.5 52B, mcMTO 500 8, Canon IS USM 75-300 4.5-5.6, zeiss ikon talon 85 f2.8 |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6603 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:16 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
That would be Sankyo Kohki Komura.
Komura was a rather quirky independent lens maker.
They had a rather extraordinary product line - this old catalog of theirs is a great resource.
http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/info/komura_1.html
Not only were they the last holdouts selling M39 screw mount lenses, they also introduced no less than four interchangeable mount systems. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Luis
You never cease to amaze
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7771 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
You have some lovely images taken with this lens, it's a focal length I'm looking for and this has gone on my list. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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steevithak
Joined: 21 Apr 2011 Posts: 27 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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steevithak wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
That would be Sankyo Kohki Komura. |
You're correct of course, thanks! I've updated the thread title. |
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diddy
Joined: 28 Mar 2012 Posts: 288
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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diddy wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Not only were they the last holdouts selling M39 screw mount lenses, they also introduced no less than four interchangeable mount systems. |
I've heard only about two interchangeable mount systems, the uniadapter and then the one used with the komuranon lenses. Which ones are the other ones ... I am curious ... |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6603 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
The Uni-Auto (not the same as the Komuranon mount) and the M39 sort-of Visoflex screw mount used for the 200-300-400-500 tele series. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Luis, what is the IQ of Komura lenses like? I see the odd one or two on ebay from time to time and always been curious. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6603 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:23 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I can only answer for a few of them, as I don't have a lot of Komura lenses. As with most brands, they are a mixed bag.
The 135/3.5 and 135/2.8 presets are excellent. These are 5-element telephotos and they are easily as sharp as the Super-Takumars I have. But they have much smoother bokeh and an attractive warm rendering, which is typical of most Komuras, even the disappointing ones.
The 400mm and 200mm Visoflex-type teles are quite decent and well made examples of their type, particularly the 400mm
The 300/5 has been a real disappointment. I actually picked up two of these thinking that the first was a lemon, but no, they were both less than adequate.
The 75-150 and 90-250 Uni-Auto zooms are very nice indeed for their time, but of course not competitive with the more modern lenses such as the Tamron 103a.
The 200/4.5 Leica-mount (I used it on bellows) is good enough I guess, but pretty second rate wide open. Its more of a curiosity. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:04 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers Luis. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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diddy
Joined: 28 Mar 2012 Posts: 288
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:29 am Post subject: |
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diddy wrote:
@Luis: Thanks for providing this info! |
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Thorjimbo90
Joined: 07 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thorjimbo90 wrote:
I just created my account on this forum, because this is the closest I have found on research to my favorite lens. It is a Sankyo Kohki Komura made in Japan 105mm, f2, however instead of 12 blades mine has 16 and te filter mount is 62mm. Any information would be usful.
Thanks. _________________ Pentax k-5, Pentax Spotomatic F, 18-55mm f3.5, 35mm f3.5, 55mm f1.8, 105mm f2, 400mm f6.3. |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4058 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Thorjimbo90 wrote: |
I just created my account on this forum, because this is the closest I have found on research to my favorite lens. It is a Sankyo Kohki Komura made in Japan 105mm, f2, however instead of 12 blades mine has 16 and te filter mount is 62mm. Any information would be usful.
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A few pictures will help.
I have the f/2.5, but am envious of the f/2. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Thorjimbo90
Joined: 07 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Thorjimbo90 wrote:
I don't have any ready made samples of what this lens can do, but here is the lens itself.
I appreciate any new information.[/img] _________________ Pentax k-5, Pentax Spotomatic F, 18-55mm f3.5, 35mm f3.5, 55mm f1.8, 105mm f2, 400mm f6.3. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6603 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
There are several versions of most of the Komura lenses.
I don't know if the variations are just cosmetic.
There is very little public information posted in English on Komura. Most of what we know is based on the physical evidence. Sort of like archeologists trying to find the history of an ancient society on the basis of artifacts.
There may be more information published in Japan. I hope someday someone with the proper skills finds this material.
The style of this one tells me its probably from the last of the preset range, probably late 1960's-very early 1970's.
The mount may be the Unidapter interchangable type. If you can unscrew it, you may see an M44 screw on the lens body. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Thorjimbo90
Joined: 07 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thorjimbo90 wrote:
It fits the Pentax Spotomatic F so it has the M42 screw mount. Sorry if that wasnt posted with the first round of specs. _________________ Pentax k-5, Pentax Spotomatic F, 18-55mm f3.5, 35mm f3.5, 55mm f1.8, 105mm f2, 400mm f6.3. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6603 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
What I mean is that you may be able to unscrew the M42 mount itself.
Many of the Komura presets were made with an interchangeable mount system unique to Komura, the Unidapter, that worked just like a T-mount but with a different thread and register. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Thorjimbo90
Joined: 07 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thorjimbo90 wrote:
Unless it requires disassembling the lens it won't be interchangable. The mount thread is one solid piece of metal. _________________ Pentax k-5, Pentax Spotomatic F, 18-55mm f3.5, 35mm f3.5, 55mm f1.8, 105mm f2, 400mm f6.3. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6603 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Yes, that whole chrome section on the camera end of the lens may unscrew, just like a T-mount.
I am not saying that it definitely is a Unidapter, but it may be. Some were, some were plain fixed mounts. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Thorjimbo90
Joined: 07 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thorjimbo90 wrote:
If it is a unidaptor i only have the M42 mount for it _________________ Pentax k-5, Pentax Spotomatic F, 18-55mm f3.5, 35mm f3.5, 55mm f1.8, 105mm f2, 400mm f6.3. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6603 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Yes, of course. It is just a point of interest.
The Unidapters are nearly impossible to find loose, the only value to having a unidapter-type lens is that if you get another Komura unidapter lens in a mount you can't use you can swap it with the useful M42 unidapter. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Thorjimbo90
Joined: 07 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thorjimbo90 wrote:
Thanks for the info! I am going to look into unidaptors more and see if this is one. _________________ Pentax k-5, Pentax Spotomatic F, 18-55mm f3.5, 35mm f3.5, 55mm f1.8, 105mm f2, 400mm f6.3. |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
that is gorgeous!
Here's an ad from 1965 --- I have the 135/2.3 which is also a loverly lens
Komura lenses 1965 by Nesster, on Flickr
A Komura 105/2 sold for $78.50 in '67, when a Super Takumar 105/2.8 went for $129.50, a Nikkor 105/2.5 was $175 at Wall St Camera. _________________ -Jussi
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Nesster
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
I think mine is an unidaptor lens - see the knurled ring thing, there are some tighening screws
Sankyo Kohki Komura 135mm f/2.3 by Nesster, on Flickr _________________ -Jussi
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