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significantimagery
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 75 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:48 am Post subject: |
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significantimagery wrote:
I took this with a Helios 44-2 this morning:
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
significantimagery wrote: |
I took this with a Helios 44-2 this morning:
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Now that is interesting.
Wide open I assume.
Did you rotate the focus ring a little during the image? I am intrigued by the effect that you have produced here.
OH |
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significantimagery
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 75 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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significantimagery wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Wide open I assume.
Did you rotate the focus ring a little during the image? I am intrigued by the effect that you have produced here.
OH |
No, I didn't rotate the focus ring during the exposure, good guess though.
Here's another one at f/4 with a shutter speed of 1/200, direct from my camera, no post processing:
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PhantomLord
Joined: 08 Apr 2013 Posts: 476 Location: Szczecin, Poland
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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PhantomLord wrote:
If this is at f/4 than you probably used some extension rings or bellows or tampered with the glass as the DOF is quite narrow.
What's more my Helios is sharp wide open and at f/4 is razor sharp while yours looks really soft, so you must've done something . _________________ Mateusz
No good story ever starts with drinking tea.
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mateuszmolik/sets/ |
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significantimagery
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 75 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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significantimagery wrote:
PhantomLord wrote: |
If this is at f/4 than you probably used some extension rings or bellows or tampered with the glass as the DOF is quite narrow.
What's more my Helios is sharp wide open and at f/4 is razor sharp while yours looks really soft, so you must've done something . |
No extension rings or bellows...
but...you guessed it. I tampered with the glass to produce this effect. |
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PhantomLord
Joined: 08 Apr 2013 Posts: 476 Location: Szczecin, Poland
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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PhantomLord wrote:
Yeay! What I have won then?
I must admit this is really interesting result of DIY, however I will not sacrifice my copies of Helios for that .
Mateusz _________________ Mateusz
No good story ever starts with drinking tea.
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mateuszmolik/sets/ |
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
Expire: 2013-01-24
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
Looks like the results from Jason Bognacki's "Petzval mod" to the Helios. I imagine you did something like that? |
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significantimagery
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 75 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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significantimagery wrote:
themoleman342 wrote: |
Looks like the results from Jason Bognacki's "Petzval mod" to the Helios. I imagine you did something like that? |
That was actually what inspired me to start tinkering around because I wanted to find out if I could reproduce that.
link to Bognacki's "Petzval mod" video
As far as I know he never revealed anywhere how he did it.
But now I know the secret too. |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Is the lens hand held/supported in front of the camera and not mounted on the body as such?
OH |
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bychance
Joined: 24 Apr 2013 Posts: 345 Location: Kent, England
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:05 am Post subject: |
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bychance wrote:
I got a similar effect to that when I fell arse over head down an embankment |
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significantimagery
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 75 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:45 am Post subject: |
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significantimagery wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
Is the lens hand held/supported in front of the camera and not mounted on the body as such?
OH |
No it was mounted to the camera as it would be normally.
I also tampered with a Sears 55mm f/1.8 and a Cyclop-1M 85mm f/1.2 (w/Helios 44 rear elements)
I shot some quick video clips with all three lenses today showing what these effects look like in real time.
Click Here for Wild Glowing Swirly Bokeh Flare Lens Mods
0:01 - 0:48: Cyclop-1M 85mm f/1.2 Night Vision lens with modified elements and Helios 44 rear elements
0:48 - 1:32: Helios 44-2 with modified lens elements
1:32 - 2:05: Sears 55mm f/1.8 with modified lens elements. |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
significantimagery wrote: |
Oldhand wrote: |
Is the lens hand held/supported in front of the camera and not mounted on the body as such?
OH |
No it was mounted to the camera as it would be normally.
I also tampered with a Sears 55mm f/1.8 and a Cyclop-1M 85mm f/1.2 (w/Helios 44 rear elements)
I shot some quick video clips with all three lenses today showing what these effects look like in real time.
Click Here for Wild Glowing Swirly Bokeh Flare Lens Mods
0:01 - 0:48: Cyclop-1M 85mm f/1.2 Night Vision lens with modified elements and Helios 44 rear elements
0:48 - 1:32: Helios 44-2 with modified lens elements
1:32 - 2:05: Sears 55mm f/1.8 with modified lens elements. |
Uber-kool video |
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Nikon1User
Joined: 10 Sep 2013 Posts: 71
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Nikon1User wrote:
Don't suppose you'll be revealing the secret any time soon? |
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significantimagery
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 75 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:48 am Post subject: |
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significantimagery wrote:
Nikon1User wrote: |
Don't suppose you'll be revealing the secret any time soon? |
I've just been teasing so far.
Seems like it would be too selfish if I did not explain what I did at some point for those who are interested.
Here's some clues:
* It's not very difficult or time consuming to do
* All the parts you need are already inside the lens
* The modification is not permanent and is completely reversable!
I also found some interesting results doing this with a Yashinon 55mm f/1.8 as seen here. |
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Nikon1User
Joined: 10 Sep 2013 Posts: 71
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Nikon1User wrote:
So which element did you reverse?
And how difficult is disassembly/reassembly of the lens?
What camera did you shoot your test videos with? Full frame? |
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significantimagery
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 75 Location: Kansas City
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:24 am Post subject: |
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significantimagery wrote:
For the Helios 44-2, just reversing the front element will produce that effect. It's easy to access the glass from the front removing the retaining ring using a spanner. I don't have one, so I used two very small flat-head screwdrivers at the same time to unscrew it.
For other lenses I flipped around both of the front two elements and sometimes swapped positions at the same time depending on how the lens was constructed and how easily and securely it can be put back together.
The camera I shot the video with is a Canon 600D (t3i) |
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raay04
Joined: 08 Dec 2012 Posts: 340 Location: India
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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raay04 wrote:
With 44m-6
red leaves by abhiraay, on Flickr
Sony NEX3 MC helios 44m-6 58/2 by abhiraay, on Flickr
Firt shot with manual focus vintage lense by abhiraay, on Flickr _________________ Cameras-Point and shoot- Powershot A590IS Mirroless-SONY NEX-3
Lenses
M42 Mount
Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Super-Takumar 50/1.4 ,SMC Takumar 50/1.4 ,MC Helios 44M7-58/2,MC Helios 77M-4 50/1.8,Helios 44-2(valdai), Zenitar-M 50/1.7 Pentacon 50/1.8, MC Jupiter-37AM 135/3.5, Industar 50-2 50/3.5
Nikon F mount
Vivitar close focus 28/2.8(Komine) Keleinar 5N 100/2.8
LTM
Jupiter 8 50/2
KIEV
Jupiter8M ( element donor lens )
Minolta SR(MD)
MD 35/1.8, MD 35-70/3.5 macro, MD 50/1.4 ,Vivitar Auto macro 55/2.8,
Canon FD
FDn50/1.4
Minolta AF
Vivitar (cosina) 100/3.5 macro
Minolta AF 35-70/4
Enlarger
EL NIKKOR 50/2.8
Adaptall
Tamron 24/2.5 , Tamron sp 90/2.5 |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
significantimagery wrote: |
Oldhand wrote: |
Is the lens hand held/supported in front of the camera and not mounted on the body as such?
OH |
No it was mounted to the camera as it would be normally.
I also tampered with a Sears 55mm f/1.8 and a Cyclop-1M 85mm f/1.2 (w/Helios 44 rear elements)
I shot some quick video clips with all three lenses today showing what these effects look like in real time.
Click Here for Wild Glowing Swirly Bokeh Flare Lens Mods
0:01 - 0:48: Cyclop-1M 85mm f/1.2 Night Vision lens with modified elements and Helios 44 rear elements
0:48 - 1:32: Helios 44-2 with modified lens elements
1:32 - 2:05: Sears 55mm f/1.8 with modified lens elements. |
Trippy _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5019 Location: UK
Expire: 2014-04-21
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Well I'm not posting any shots yet as my first play with a Canon 400D (and on initial tests) found for closeups WO and stopped down...... a 44M was superior to the 44-2...does anyone agree with me. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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Misha_M
Joined: 08 Oct 2012 Posts: 178
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Misha_M wrote:
These were shot on a Canon 5D I using a 1958 silver M39 13 aperture blade Helios 44...
f/4
f/2.8
_________________ Tair 11 133 f/2.8 1958
Jupiter 9 85 f/2 1959
Helios 44M 58 f/2 1978
Helios 44-2 58 f/2 1977
Helios 44 (13 blades) 1959
Helios 77M4 50 f/1.8
Zenitar-M 50 f/1.7 1986
Industar-61 L\Z 50 f/2.8
Helios 40-2, 85 f/1.5 1974 |
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KingKyleJ
Joined: 06 Nov 2013 Posts: 4 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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tytygelu
Joined: 14 Aug 2013 Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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tytygelu wrote:
Helios 44M-4 @ f/4 - Nikon 1
Helios 44-2 @ f/2 - Canon EOS-M no pp
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TAo2
Joined: 09 Mar 2012 Posts: 319 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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TAo2 wrote:
Guys,
could ye do some of us a favour? We don't all have W I D E S C R E E N . Please resize tae the recommended limits. Losing half the dialogue on a thread which interests me; there are some fine photos here but can only see truncated versions.... thanks. |
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Analog lex
Joined: 10 Nov 2013 Posts: 95 Location: East Europe
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Analog lex wrote:
Helios MC 44-3
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_________________ =-=Canon eos 1100D=-=Zenit-E=-=
[RMC Tokina 35-105 macro FD][CZJ Sonnar 135mm f4 Exa][Jupiter-11 135mm f4 (silver)M39][Helios 44m-6][Helios-44-2 2/58][Vega-11u m39][Industar-50u][Tair-3fs][Mir-1B 2,8/37 (ВОЗМ)] |
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Dogtag
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Posts: 166 Location: Holland del norte
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Dogtag wrote:
Some helios 44-2 (2=m42) pictures on Sony A7. No PP, I'm getting the 44 m39 too, love this lens. Have a damaged 44m-4. Lovely lenses for no money at all.
_________________ Konica AR fan
Konica AR, 135/2.5 135/3.2 135/3.5 100/2.8 85/1.8 55/3.5-macro 57/1.2 57/1.4 50/1.4 52/1.8 50/1.7(3x) 40/1.8 35/2.8 35/2 28/1.8 24/2.8
Missing UC 15mm and 21mm |
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