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Orio
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 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:33 am Post subject: 1936's collapsible Sonnar 1:2 f=5cm |
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Orio wrote:
This uncoated, collapsible pre-war Sonnar was built in 1936 and it seems to have aged pretty well. Here on M9:
I had to adjust the white and black point to compensate for the lack of contrast of the uncoated lens and for the slight haze in some internal element.
The colour saturation was not altered from the camera setting (which I set to "middle-low", one step less than standard).
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The IQ is very high.
I like this lens, very much. It's by far better than a lot of newer 2/50 lenses.
Excelent 3D.
I never should think that the sonnar was so good.
Thanks for sharing. Rino.
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estudleon wrote:
What happen? Nobody likes the that beauties images?
That great bokeh? the 3D?
Am I so wrong?
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Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
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F16SUNSHINE
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Pretty surprising honestly.
That lens was in kinda tough shape as well if I remeber the one you are using.
I like the lower contrast in these color shots. The colors are definitely the Leica M-Digital version.
I get a lot of the same. Kind of on the cool side or maybe just sort of green to the blues. Could be my monitor but, I think it's the Cyan issue I have seen in my images before as well (M8 not M9 as you have).
Do you have the adapter coded for a 50mm?
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fatdeeman wrote:
I like the last photo a lot, the lens seems to give very nice results, there seems to be a bit of a glow where the horizon meets the sky but that might just be normal and I've never noticed it before, either way I think the pictures are great 
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
Andy, yes it's your lens (thanks!) and the condition is good mechanically, but there is some haze on the glasses, and of course the cool tone of the images is due to the sensor picking up all the flare and UV from the uncoated lens.
Rino, I like the lens too, but probably it's different from the things most people is expecting being accustomed to more recent and neater performing SLR lenses.
fatdeeman, you are right, there is a lot of glow in the high contrast edges, due to the interaction of the chromatic aberration with the internal haze and the lens flare, which "spread" the blue of CA around.
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bawang
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bawang wrote:
+1
Don't you just love the way Sonnar renders?
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The IQ is very high.
I like this lens, very much. It's by far better than a lot of newer 2/50 lenses.
Excelent 3D.
I never should think that the sonnar was so good.
Thanks for sharing. Rino. |
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Bruce wrote:
#4 
such a ghostly effect, spirits in the grass.
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
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#4
such a ghostly effect, spirits in the grass. |
I come back to these samples and see a lovely combo for Portrait work. Especially with a long background. This is a lovely uncoated lens.
Funny how we all go for the " perfect " performance on these forums. These show a perfect brush for the pallet.
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Orio wrote:
I have two portrait/glamour/nude sessions booked in June.
So I will be able to use some M9 and Sonnars also, we'll see what will come out of it 
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
I have two portrait/glamour/nude sessions booked in June.
So I will be able to use some M9 and Sonnars also, we'll see what will come out of it |
Yes, please use this uncoated Sonnar for some of your shots! What you have shown here is nothing short of wonderful. It's funny, but I prefer pre-war glass more and more... Did they put more soul in the lenses back then?
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kansalliskala wrote:
Very interesting combination!
Can you post a picture to the equipment gallery?
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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Yes, please use this uncoated Sonnar for some of your shots! What you have shown here is nothing short of wonderful. It's funny, but I prefer pre-war glass more and more... Did they put more soul in the lenses back then? |
I certainly believe so. At the time, lens making was totally a craftsmanship. It still is, for most part, in Oberkochen and Wetzlar.
And craftsmen, compared to poor workers in big factories, do certainly put their soul into their creations.
I believe that part of the love of the making passes through on to the object made.
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Orio wrote:
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Very interesting combination!
Can you post a picture to the equipment gallery? |
I will, I still have to find the time to clean up my studio a bit and make a good photo session of equipment 
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scsambrook wrote:
I think they look great - but I'd love to see one without any post processing. I know that really isn't fair to your lens, but it be good to see how much 'improvement' can be had with PP.
I recently found some Agfa CT18 slides taken forty years ago with a Leitz 50mm f2.5 Hektor - after all this time I can't be sure whether the lack of saturation and contrast results from the lens or the slides' fading over time - hence my curiosity.
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I like the IQ of this lens. Bokeh and saturation are very good.
Is it the same one as I said I didn't like just a few days ago?
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estudleon wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| Spotmatic wrote: |
Yes, please use this uncoated Sonnar for some of your shots! What you have shown here is nothing short of wonderful. It's funny, but I prefer pre-war glass more and more... Did they put more soul in the lenses back then? |
I certainly believe so. At the time, lens making was totally a craftsmanship. It still is, for most part, in Oberkochen and Wetzlar.
And craftsmen, compared to poor workers in big factories, do certainly put their soul into their creations.
I believe that part of the love of the making passes through on to the object made. |
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
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Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
| bawang wrote: |
+1
Don't you just love the way Sonnar renders?
| estudleon wrote: |
The IQ is very high.
I like this lens, very much. It's by far better than a lot of newer 2/50 lenses.
Excelent 3D.
I never should think that the sonnar was so good.
Thanks for sharing. Rino. |
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Yes, I like them.
Anyways, I found that the ernostar schame in 135 mm lenses, gives a similar IQ than the sonnar.
I wanted to say that the old 1936 sonnar gives a high IQ, more than I should think before see the images.
Rino.
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Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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Could you show us the lens itself, please ? I love the "haze" on the blue sky BTW !
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