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esrods
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 148 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: Newbie questions??? |
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esrods wrote:
Giday MF'ers,
Newly joined.
Very fresh to M focussing lenses. Please look after me
I've got a few questions:
1) How do you focus MF lens? I am using Canon EOS 30D and I find it very hard to focus because there is no split image view finder.
2) Suggestion on wide angle lenses. I do not see wider than 20mm. Are there wider ones?
3) Is CZJ Flektogon that good? This model of CZJ is quite expensive.
Cheers
Ed |
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TDN
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 321 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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TDN wrote:
Well, you can just focus on sight, which takes some practice.
But you can also buy an "AF-confirm-adapter" for Canon, which will give you a confirmation of focus.
MF lenses under 20mm exist, but are very hard to find...
CZJ has a very good reputation indeed. I think our forum member Orio will confirm that the Flektogons are excellent, he has at least 4 of them
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Lenses (Pentax): Pentax 17mm f4.0 Fish-eye; Pentax-A 50mm f1.7; Kiron 105mm f2.8 macro; Pentax-FA 50mm f1.4; Pentax-A 35-135mm f3.5-4.5; Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 EX Aspherical; DA 18-55mm f3.-5.6; Tamron 28-200mm f3.8-5.6 XR;
Lenses (M42): Jupiter-9 85mm f2; Pentacon 200mm f4;
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3215 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
Welcome aboard.
About focusing, all I can tell you is that it's a hit'n miss job. |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Nice to see you here! I suggest to buy a chipped adapter (it has focus confirmation feedback beep).
I have almost all kind of CZJ lenses they are good as Nikkor lenses.
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Hi Ed, glad you've joined us.
Unfortunately, Canon EOS cameras are not the easiest to focus manually. Canon want to sell their expensive auto-focus lenses, so manual focussing is not high on their priorities. The viewfinder is darker than usual because some of the light entering through the lens is filtered through the main mirror for the auto-focussing sensors, and because the cameras use a penta-mirror in the viewfinder instead of a prism.
The camera can't control the lens aperture with MF lenses, so it's not possible to use Tv mode (shutter priority). You can use Av or M modes but you have to set the lens aperture manually. In Av mode the camera will meter the light and set the shutter speed to suit.
It's best to focus MF lenses with the aperture wide open first, and then stop down the aperture after you've focussed. You can do several things to help get sharp pictures - obviously using a tripod or other support is a big help, particularly in low light conditions. If you have enough light you can stop down the aperture near the minimum and use a slower shutter speed. This increases the depth of field, but you need to be more careful about keeping the camera still. Using a higher ISO value allows a smaller aperture, but image quality suffers sometimes. You can also use the "bracketting" method, where you take several shots of the same subject with slightly different focus settings, in the hope that one of them is perfect.
As Attila mentioned, you can mount MF lenses on a Canon using an EOS adapter with an "Auto-focus chip". The chip fools the camera into thinking you're using an AF lens, and you'll see the red flash and hear a beep when the camera thinks the picture is in focus. It doesn't work properly in low light situations it has difficulty with indistinct subjects. You can also change the frosted focus screen in the viewfinder and fit a type that has a split image for focussing. I find this more useful than the adapter, but many people wouldn't agree. If you want to try either of these we can give lots of help, but try the AF-confirm adapter first.
As for short focal lengths, Orio will tell you all about Flek 20s. There are a few shorter lenses, Vivitar and Tamron both made 17mm lenses for instance. Anything much shorter gets you into fish-eye lenses, for instance the 16mm Zenitar or even the 8mm Peleng.
I hope this is helpful for you
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esrods
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 148 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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esrods wrote:
Thanks guys, great help.
I have used AF confirm adapter but keeper rate is very low. Must be something wrong.
Generally I am having difficulty focussing wide angle lenses (shorter than 50mm) because objects show small.
I guess I have to keep practice, practice, and more practice.
As Peter suggested I must try "bracketting" method and see how I go.
The most attractive thing for MF for me was the cost of the lenses.
They are cheap as chips ..... except fleks.
Is it worth buying one (20mm) for US$200 ?????
cheers
Ed |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
check some of Orio's posts and the gallery. Short answer seems to be yes (I do not have one)
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
hi Ed,
any in depth answer would require to know more about your photographic habits, like what are your subjects, what kind of things you appreciate in a photograph etc.
With regards to the Fleks, I am the Prince of Fleks no, seriously, they are very good lenses, but are lenses of the past, if you know what I mean. Today's standard for lenses is much sharper than way back then. At the time they were released, the Flektogons appeared like the most sharp of available wideangles. But later releases, like the wideangles by Nikon, Olympus, Leitz, Carl Zeiss raised the standard of sharpness for wide angle lenses.
However, many of more modern wide angles have sacrificed geometrical perfection for a more aggressive approach. Today, almost no one (except for architects and a few amateurs and professionals) values much geometrical fidelity in a wide angle lens. Everyone wants super sharpness and aggressive image for modern urban style. The Flektogons are amongst the most corrected wide angles available. The 4/20, in particular, has practically no geometrical distortion, and if placed properly (with a tripod and a spirit level), will render architectural images that need no correction at all.
So my answer is that if you privilege architecture photography and great linear fidelity, you should go for a Flektogon, if you prefer sharpness and aggressive approach and don't mind much about geometry, you should go for a Nikkor or a Zuiko.
About focusing with manual lenses, the shorter the focal lenght the most difficult, of course. I personally do not focus at all with lenses shorter than 35mm. I just set a distance on the barrel, set an appropriate aperture, and click. Old time zone focusing.
For normal and tele lenses, I have placed a viewfinder enlarger on the 400D, and I have changed focusing screen on the 5D. These helps, together with chipped adaptors, have solved my focusing problems at least most of the times. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
esrods wrote: |
Thanks guys, great help.
I have used AF confirm adapter but keeper rate is very low. Must be something wrong.
Generally I am having difficulty focussing wide angle lenses (shorter than 50mm) because objects show small.
I guess I have to keep practice, practice, and more practice.
As Peter suggested I must try "bracketting" method and see how I go.
The most attractive thing for MF for me was the cost of the lenses.
They are cheap as chips ..... except fleks.
Is it worth buying one (20mm) for US$200 ?????
cheers
Ed |
Everybody start with cheap Manual Focus lenses, because price is attractive, but the best ones is never cheap except if you compare with AF brothers. I have many MF lens around $400 USD value. Orio has many much more expensive MF lenses. So $200 USD not a high price an excellent wide angle lens like Flekktogon. _________________ -------------------------------
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
esrod et alii
I started to buy MF lenses for exactly that same reason - economics. It was the only way to get top class lenses at bearable prices. Then I discovered how much more fun it is to think about the shot while taking it - what aperture? what speed? where is the focus? etc Not to mention how much more solid most of these lenses feel. And who cares about looks?
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
First of all welcome! Enjoy!
There is some typical development until people find their ways here:
1. You have shot many years ago.
2. After having bought a digital cam (because everybody "needs" one these days), the hobby is revived.
3. After a while, you get your first DSLR (digital Reflex).
4. You first use only AF-lenses.
5. Suddenly (and often accidentally) you discover that you can use MF lenses at your DSLR.
6. You buy cheap MF lenses ("Look at this price!") and you start to like their "personalities".
7. This is moment you get hooked!
8. You start to look for and buy more expensive MF lenses, since you really want to get the highest possible performance.
9. You start to shoot on film again (for different reasons).
10. You are either totally happy or totally bankrupt.
Sometimes certain steps are skipped. But generally every user here is in one of those stages. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
10. You are either totally happy or totally bankrupt. |
or both
LucisPictor wrote: |
Sometimes certain steps are skipped. But generally every user here is in one of those stages. |
Yes indeed. Brilliant diagnosis, Dr. Carsten! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Farside
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 6549 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
First of all welcome! Enjoy!
There is some typical development until people find their ways here:
1. You have shot many years ago.
2. After having bought a digital cam (because everybody "needs" one these days), the hobby is revived.
3. After a while, you get your first DSLR (digital Reflex).
4. You first use only AF-lenses.
5. Suddenly (and often accidentally) you discover that you can use MF lenses at your DSLR.
6. You buy cheap MF lenses ("Look at this price!") and you start to like their "personalities".
7. This is moment you get hooked!
8. You start to look for and buy more expensive MF lenses, since you really want to get the highest possible performance.
9. You start to shoot on film again (for different reasons).
10. You are either totally happy or totally bankrupt.
Sometimes certain steps are skipped. But generally every user here is in one of those stages. |
Wow, uncannily accurate! I'm at stage 7, going on to 8. I've discovered a set of high-quality lenses I lusted after 30 years ago are now as cheap as a cheap thing in Cheapsville, relatively speaking. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Farside wrote: |
LucisPictor wrote: |
First of all welcome! Enjoy!
There is some typical development until people find their ways here:
1. You have shot many years ago.
2. After having bought a digital cam (because everybody "needs" one these days), the hobby is revived.
3. After a while, you get your first DSLR (digital Reflex).
4. You first use only AF-lenses.
5. Suddenly (and often accidentally) you discover that you can use MF lenses at your DSLR.
6. You buy cheap MF lenses ("Look at this price!") and you start to like their "personalities".
7. This is moment you get hooked!
8. You start to look for and buy more expensive MF lenses, since you really want to get the highest possible performance.
9. You start to shoot on film again (for different reasons).
10. You are either totally happy or totally bankrupt.
Sometimes certain steps are skipped. But generally every user here is in one of those stages. |
Wow, uncannily accurate! I'm at stage 7, going on to 8. I've discovered a set of high-quality lenses I lusted after 30 years ago are now as cheap as a cheap thing in Cheapsville, relatively speaking. |
Oh, how I lusted after a Spotmatic! I remember when it was first introduced, 1965 maybe, and I had a Zenit 3M at the time. Then after I bought the Praktica in '69 I used to lust after a Pancolar 1.8/50 because there was picture of one in the manual being used by a pretty girl. Both dreams are satisfied now
Brilliant piece of psychological analysis there Carsten. I'm at stage 9, digital is great, but film+scan is much more fun. |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Brilliant piece of psychological analysis there Carsten... |
Actually, that was not difficult. I just tried to remember my steps to stage 9.
Now, I hope that I can prevent bankruptcy and will end up in utter happiness. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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bob955i
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bob955i wrote:
Talking of bankruptcy, where's my 20 quid Distagon 21.....? |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
bob955i wrote: |
Talking of bankruptcy, where's my 20 quid Distagon 21.....? |
Ooops, I sold it to somebody else for 25 Pounds. Sorry, but it was a better offer!
_________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Things ON SALE
Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
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esrods
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 148 Location: Sydney Australia
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esrods wrote:
Thanks heaps guys,
You guys rock.
I enjoyed taking photos with newly acquired MF lenses but I was starting to get sceptical about the whole setup - focussing and the false economy on lens prices. But now, I am completely convinced and think I will stay with MF for a long time.
Patrich - you are on the money - that's exactly what I have experienced.
I started off buying a cheap lens by accident and got myself hooked on challenge of getting things right.
My MF lens number is steadily growing.
LucisPictor, excellent chronology, Like it.
I am at #8. Not sure I will go to #9 but surely I will ended up at #10.
cheers
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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