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DikkieDick
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Groningen, Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:25 am Post subject: Mitsuki 400mm 5.6 (Nikon AI-mount) |
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DikkieDick wrote:
Found above lens on the bay. Hard to find any information on this one on mflenses. Placed a bid for a few bucks to give it a shot, but am overbidden right now. 5 more days to go before auction ends. I'll see where this ends up? According to the seller the IQ-quality was better than a 300mm:4 Nikkor with Teleconverter.
Anyone knows this lens? I have a Sigma 135-400:4.5-5.6 which I hardly use and might sell, if I can get this MF for not too much. _________________ Greetings, Dick
Nikon D300 & Nikon D70, bunch of AF-glass, SB-800-flash and a Jinbei D180 Delicacy Kit
MF-glass (all Nikon-mount):
Kiron 70-210:4 Zoomlock, 80-200:4.5
Peleng 8mm:3.5 fisheye
Sigma 24mm:2.8 Super Wide II
Vivitar 135mm:2.8 (Komine made)
Vivitar 200mm:3.5 (Komine made)
M42-mount:
Helios 44M 58/2 (with Zenit-TTL-camera attached)
Helios 135/2.8 (not Russian, with Chinon CE3 Memotron-camera)
Pentacon 50/1.8 (with Praktica LTL3-camera)
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Mitsuki 400mm 5.6 (Nikon AI-mount) |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
DikkieDick wrote: |
Found above lens on the bay. Hard to find any information on this one on mflenses. Placed a bid for a few bucks to give it a shot, but am overbidden right now. 5 more days to go before auction ends. I'll see where this ends up? According to the seller the IQ-quality was better than a 300mm:4 Nikkor with Teleconverter.
Anyone knows this lens? I have a Sigma 135-400:4.5-5.6 which I hardly use and might sell, if I can get this MF for not too much. |
Better than preAI, AI 300/4.5? Or better than (AF, ED glass) 300/4? Surprised if its better than the AF if its less that 500 dollars or so .... _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ai'ed, AiS
Camera: Nikon D90, D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 K, AI'ed | N.K. Nikkor-N 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor-N.C 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | ЛЗОС (LZOS) Юпитер-9 (Jupiter-9) 85mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 SL | Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5 pre-Ai, Ai'ed | Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 | Schneider Kreuznach Componon 105mm f/5.6 | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED AiS | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:29 am Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
I have owned two Mitsuki lenses, a 28mm that was the same lens as a Tokina 28mm RMC and was excellent and a 135mm that was also allegedly made by Tokina and was also excellent apart from a tendency to produce excessive purple fringing.
I don't know this specific lens but there is obviously a chance it was made by Tokina.
The aperture is pretty fast for the focal length so it might be worth a try, I'm certain there are other 400mm lenses out there that are the same with different brand names on them but without seeing a picture of the lens it's hard to narrow it down.
Can you show us a picture? _________________ - Dave
www.lensporn.net
www.flickr.com/photos/fatdeeman/
DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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DikkieDick
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Groningen, Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: |
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DikkieDick wrote:
It can be found here: http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200450724806&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_4784wt_1026 _________________ Greetings, Dick
Nikon D300 & Nikon D70, bunch of AF-glass, SB-800-flash and a Jinbei D180 Delicacy Kit
MF-glass (all Nikon-mount):
Kiron 70-210:4 Zoomlock, 80-200:4.5
Peleng 8mm:3.5 fisheye
Sigma 24mm:2.8 Super Wide II
Vivitar 135mm:2.8 (Komine made)
Vivitar 200mm:3.5 (Komine made)
M42-mount:
Helios 44M 58/2 (with Zenit-TTL-camera attached)
Helios 135/2.8 (not Russian, with Chinon CE3 Memotron-camera)
Pentacon 50/1.8 (with Praktica LTL3-camera)
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
Looks like it's the same lens as the Hoya 400mm F/5.6 which I also believe is a tokina but I can't be sure:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370324815495
I think it's worth a try, as long as you don't bid too much you should be able to sell it at no loss if you don't like it! _________________ - Dave
www.lensporn.net
www.flickr.com/photos/fatdeeman/
DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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Boomer Depp
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 552 Location: Kingston,Washighton
Expire: 2011-12-04
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
That is the second compact version of the Tokina built 400mm f5.6....this lens was made for various lens companies.The first version has a tripod mount,where as the second version does not have a tripod mount.I have two copies of the first edition with the tripod mount and a TX lens mount sold by Vivitar,Tokina serial # 37xxxxx.
A compact version by Tokina of the 300mm f5.6 was also sold by various lens companies.Both of these lenses come up regularly on ebay.Both of the Vivitar TX (interchangeable lens mount) 400mm f5.6 were bought for $40 US on ebay.The Vivitar 300mm 5.6 was bought last summer for $10 US.Both lenses give decent results for a bargain lens.
Most of the lens of the TX line 24mm through the 300mm shoot fair to good wide open.The 400mm however requires stopping down to f8 for the images to be acceptable for small prints.The lens needs to be stopped down to f11,to get an acceptable sharpness in the center of the image for larger prints.
Case Study in Variations - Vivitar TX Lenses courtesy of Robert Monaghan
http://web.archive.org/web/20040821085347/medfmt.8k.com/third/variations.html#tx
The Modern Photography review on the Viv 400/5.6 TX lens in "Photo Buying Guide 78". Some comments:
Optical bench:
-red spherical flare at 5.6 but gone by f8.
-considerable secondary color aberration
-overcorrected green sph abber and undercorrect red sph abber.
-this lens is better than average
-in filed tests image sharpness was acceptable bec of low contrast
-color fringing visible
Res(Cont)...Center........Corner
5.6.............37(53)........26 (42)
8................42(62)........29 (40)
11..............47(64)........33 (36)
16..............47(53)........37 (32)
22..............47(46)........42 (28}
I don't know about truth of these results. The contrast figures are f11 are outstanding and belie the narrative part of the test report. After all the stellar Viv S1 90/2.5 had 64% contrast also at f5.6 and f8 in the center.
In the upper left corner,2nd from the left is the first version(w/tripod mount) with a 2x TC,3rd from the left is the first version(w/tripod mount) without a TC,4th from the left is a compact version of the 300m.
_________________ Trust that little voice in your head that says "Wouldn't it be interesting if...." And then do it.
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ChrisLilley
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1767 Location: Nice, France
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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ChrisLilley wrote:
Boomer Depp wrote: |
Most of the lens of the TX line 24mm through the 300mm shoot fair to good wide open.The 400mm however requires stopping down to f5.6 for the images to be acceptable for small prints. |
It would be hard not to stop that lens down to at least f/5.6, no?
Boomer Depp wrote: |
The lens needs to be stopped down to f8 or better yet f11,to get an acceptable sharpness in the center of the image for larger prints.
The Modern Photography review on the Viv 400/5.6 TX lens in "Photo Buying Guide 78". Some comments:
Optical bench:
-red spherical flare at 5.6 but gone by f8.
-considerable secondary color aberration
-overcorrected green sph abber and undercorrect red sph abber.
-this lens is better than average
-in filed tests image sharpness was acceptable bec of low contrast
-color fringing visible
Res(Cont)...Center........Corner
4................37(44)........26 (40)
5.6.............37(53)........26 (42)
8................42(62)........29 (40)
11..............47(64)........33 (36)
16..............47(53)........37 (32)
22..............47(46)........42 (28}
I don't know about truth of these results. The contrast figures are f11 are outstanding and belie the narrative part of the test report. After all the stellar Viv S1 90/2.5 had 64% contrast also at f5.6 and f8 in the center.
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Interesting and somewhat perplexing. Results are posted at f/4, which would go along with your comment about stopping down to f/5.6. but its an f/5.6 lens .... so which lens are these the results for? _________________ Camera (ˈkæ mə rə), n. Device for taking pictures in bright light
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ai'ed, AiS
Camera: Nikon D90, D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 K, AI'ed | N.K. Nikkor-N 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor-N.C 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | ЛЗОС (LZOS) Юпитер-9 (Jupiter-9) 85mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer APO-Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 SL | Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5 pre-Ai, Ai'ed | Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 | Schneider Kreuznach Componon 105mm f/5.6 | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED AiS | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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Boomer Depp
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 552 Location: Kingston,Washighton
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
Opps,my mistake....edited the post.
The lens does need to be stopped down to f8 or f11,I've shot both lens from f5.6 to f16,but f8 is where I usually shoot close to about 50 feet,beyond that distance usually stop to f11. _________________ Trust that little voice in your head that says "Wouldn't it be interesting if...." And then do it. |
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DikkieDick
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts: 63 Location: Groningen, Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:46 am Post subject: |
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DikkieDick wrote:
Well, didn't bid more. Saw that it was sold for €91,33. Thanx for all the information. _________________ Greetings, Dick
Nikon D300 & Nikon D70, bunch of AF-glass, SB-800-flash and a Jinbei D180 Delicacy Kit
MF-glass (all Nikon-mount):
Kiron 70-210:4 Zoomlock, 80-200:4.5
Peleng 8mm:3.5 fisheye
Sigma 24mm:2.8 Super Wide II
Vivitar 135mm:2.8 (Komine made)
Vivitar 200mm:3.5 (Komine made)
M42-mount:
Helios 44M 58/2 (with Zenit-TTL-camera attached)
Helios 135/2.8 (not Russian, with Chinon CE3 Memotron-camera)
Pentacon 50/1.8 (with Praktica LTL3-camera)
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Boomer Depp
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 552 Location: Kingston,Washighton
Expire: 2011-12-04
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Boomer Depp wrote:
There's another one in the Vivitar TX version in the UK listed BIN....but you would have to pick up a Nikon F TX mount adapter....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vivitar-400mm-f-5-6-Telephoto-Lens-TX-Type-Mount_W0QQitemZ130375105352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CamerasPhoto_CameraAccessories_CameraLensesFilters_JN?hash=item1e5af63b48 _________________ Trust that little voice in your head that says "Wouldn't it be interesting if...." And then do it. |
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