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calvin83
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!
My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.
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With the way production of the 44 moved around so much, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MMZ was ordered to produce the 44-2 in 76 just to keep the factory busy. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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Humulus
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I did some research and it seems that the rare Vilejka Helios-44M-5 was one of kit lenses for the ZENIT 130 camera (together with Valdai Helios-44M-5 with new barrel design and Valdai Helios-44M-4) manufactured in Belarus in the late nineties. |
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BurstMox
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:10 am Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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BurstMox wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
Nero299 wrote: |
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!
My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.
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MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980. _________________ Pierre
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TAo2
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:30 am Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote: |
calvin83 wrote: |
Nero299 wrote: |
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!
My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.
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MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980. |
No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2. |
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BurstMox
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:23 am Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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BurstMox wrote:
TAo2 wrote: |
BurstMox wrote: |
calvin83 wrote: |
Nero299 wrote: |
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!
My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.
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MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980. |
No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2. |
From what I read on zenitcamera, which is quite faithfull source, it isn't :
"У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)."
from : http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-serialnumbers.html#n3
It tells that Helios-44-2 made in MMZ in 1969 and 70's still use the usualy MMZ sn system (exemple is given).
Maybe you misunderstand with Valdai (Jupiter optiks) H-44-2? _________________ Pierre
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TAo2
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote: |
TAo2 wrote: |
BurstMox wrote: |
calvin83 wrote: |
Nero299 wrote: |
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!
My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.
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MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980. |
No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2. |
From what I read on zenitcamera, which is quite faithfull source, it isn't :
"У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)."
from : http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-serialnumbers.html#n3
It tells that Helios-44-2 made in MMZ in 1969 and 70's still use the usualy MMZ sn system (exemple is given).
Maybe you misunderstand with Valdai (Jupiter optiks) H-44-2? |
No BM, the translation is Helios 44-2, made in MMZ in 1969 and 70 not 70s. As I said, from 1971 MMZ used the first 2 digits of the s/n (as all other manufacturers) allowing for old stock etc.
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BurstMox
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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BurstMox wrote:
TAo2 wrote: |
BurstMox wrote: |
TAo2 wrote: |
BurstMox wrote: |
calvin83 wrote: |
Nero299 wrote: |
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!
My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.
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MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980. |
No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2. |
From what I read on zenitcamera, which is quite faithfull source, it isn't :
"У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)."
from : http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-serialnumbers.html#n3
It tells that Helios-44-2 made in MMZ in 1969 and 70's still use the usualy MMZ sn system (exemple is given).
Maybe you misunderstand with Valdai (Jupiter optiks) H-44-2? |
No BM, the translation is Helios 44-2, made in MMZ in 1969 and 70 not 70s. As I said, from 1971 MMZ used the first 2 digits of the s/n (as all other manufacturers) allowing for old stock etc.
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It's not that big deal, but 70x mean that it's not only 70, and all the 70's. Also the exemple given is pretty clear : if serial is 5012345, then it's 1975. First digit is 5, so even in 1975, the first digit rule ruled. _________________ Pierre
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TAo2
Joined: 09 Mar 2012 Posts: 319 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:24 am Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote: |
TAo2 wrote: |
BurstMox wrote: |
TAo2 wrote: |
BurstMox wrote: |
calvin83 wrote: |
Nero299 wrote: |
Can someone tell me a bit more about this lens that I purchased? I've read through here and it doesn't seem to match up with the dates that MMZ manufactured the 44-2, but it has their logo and a serial starting with 76. Any help would be appreciated!
My picture isn't uploading, but the description in my message is accurate, MMZ logo, 76 serial, on a 44-2.
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MMZ was still producing the 44-2 in 1976.
Well, this lens was not produced in 1976 because the serial number system of MMZ is different. Important here is the first digit (7). So the lens was produced in 1977. MMZ then tried to make their "own" Helios-44, the Helios-44-3, since 1980. |
No, it is 1976, first 2 digits are the year on MMZ lenses since 1971/2. |
From what I read on zenitcamera, which is quite faithfull source, it isn't :
"У объективов Гелиос-44-2 производства ММЗ 1969 г. и 1970-х годов был тот же способ нумерации (соответственно, объектив с номером 5012345 — здесь выпуска 1975 года)."
from : http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-serialnumbers.html#n3
It tells that Helios-44-2 made in MMZ in 1969 and 70's still use the usualy MMZ sn system (exemple is given).
Maybe you misunderstand with Valdai (Jupiter optiks) H-44-2? |
No BM, the translation is Helios 44-2, made in MMZ in 1969 and 70 not 70s. As I said, from 1971 MMZ used the first 2 digits of the s/n (as all other manufacturers) allowing for old stock etc.
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It's not that big deal, but 70x mean that it's not only 70, and all the 70's. Also the exemple given is pretty clear : if serial is 5012345, then it's 1975. First digit is 5, so even in 1975, the first digit rule ruled. |
Well BM, Calvin's asking for info on his lens, the info is...MMZ followed KMZ'S S/N.There was a brief hiatus in 1969/70, when both[i] KMZ and MMZ change their system (coinciding with MMZ becoming Belomo). Lenses beginning with 9 were made in 196[b]9[/b] - lenses beginning with 0 were made in 1970.
Under the old system, if a lens from KMZ or MMZ begins with 5 it was made in 196[b]5[/b]. From 1971, both KMZ and Belomo (MMZ) used the two digits of the year as the first two digits of the S/N . eg 71xxx - 1971, 76xxx - 1976. Ah can't be any clearer than that. That is the correct sequence... |
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BurstMox
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:45 am Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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BurstMox wrote:
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Well BM, Calvin's asking for info on his lens, the info is...MMZ followed KMZ'S S/N.There was a brief hiatus in 1969/70, when both[i] KMZ and MMZ change their system (coinciding with MMZ becoming Belomo). Lenses beginning with 9 were made in 196[b]9[/b] - lenses beginning with 0 were made in 1970.
Under the old system, if a lens from KMZ or MMZ begins with 5 it was made in 196[b]5[/b]. From 1971, both KMZ and Belomo (MMZ) used the two digits of the year as the first two digits of the S/N . eg 71xxx - 1971, 76xxx - 1976. Ah can't be any clearer than that. That is the correct sequence... |
What you say is clear, but that doesn't mean that it's true . Zenitcamera says the opposite (lens made in 1975 used the old 1 digit system). Btw, what is your source? _________________ Pierre
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Humulus
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Humulus wrote:
I believe you both might have fallen victim to the infamous Soviet disinformation campaign |
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TAo2
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: More about this lens? |
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TAo2 wrote:
BurstMox wrote: |
TAo2 wrote: |
Well BM, Calvin's asking for info on his lens, the info is...MMZ followed KMZ'S S/N.There was a brief hiatus in 1969/70, when both[i] KMZ and MMZ change their system (coinciding with MMZ becoming Belomo). Lenses beginning with 9 were made in 196[b]9[/b] - lenses beginning with 0 were made in 1970.
Under the old system, if a lens from KMZ or MMZ begins with 5 it was made in 196[b]5[/b]. From 1971, both KMZ and Belomo (MMZ) used the two digits of the year as the first two digits of the S/N . eg 71xxx - 1971, 76xxx - 1976. Ah can't be any clearer than that. That is the correct sequence... |
What you say is clear, but that doesn't mean that it's true . Zenitcamera says the opposite (lens made in 1975 used the old 1 digit system). Btw, what is your source? |
Hi BM,
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TAo2
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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TAo2 wrote:
Humulus wrote: |
I believe you both might have fallen victim to the infamous Soviet disinformation campaign |
Hi Humulus,
The guy's Czech... As ah said before, if this was easy, there'd only be 3 pages |
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Humulus
Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Posts: 130 Location: Poland
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Humulus wrote:
Just bought myself another Vilejka Helios-44M-5. This time with a nice serial number starting with '0000'. The Zenit body (Vilejka Zenit 130) it was attached to was manufactured in 1998. |
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fotografiasol
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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fotografiasol wrote:
Humulus wrote: |
Just bought myself another Vilejka Helios-44M-5. This time with a nice serial number starting with '0000'. The Zenit body (Vilejka Zenit 130) it was attached to was manufactured in 1998. |
Congratulations! Please, show us pictures of the lens and camera. Thank you. _________________ fotografiasol |
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Humulus
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Humulus wrote:
Sorry for the delay - I waited for a more sunny weather to take a picture. Here's a photo of the lens mounted on the Zenit 130 camera:
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mrbluesky94 wrote:
Hi! I just ordered my very first manual lens .. and it just so happens to be a Helios!
I don't know very much about it other than it being 50mm f/2.0 ... and I'm pretty sure it's a nikon F mount version
I look foward to seeing the quality it will bring!
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calvin83
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:12 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
mrbluesky94 wrote: |
Hi! I just ordered my very first manual lens .. and it just so happens to be a Helios!
I don't know very much about it other than it being 50mm f/2.0 ... and I'm pretty sure it's a nikon F mount version
I look foward to seeing the quality it will bring! |
Hi,
The Helios-81 ABTOMAT is used in Kiev-10/15 camera. It is not in Nikon F unless the lens has been converted. Go for a Helios-81 H if you want a copy with F mount http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_396.html . _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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mrbluesky94
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:18 am Post subject: |
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mrbluesky94 wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
mrbluesky94 wrote: |
Hi! I just ordered my very first manual lens .. and it just so happens to be a Helios!
I don't know very much about it other than it being 50mm f/2.0 ... and I'm pretty sure it's a nikon F mount version
I look foward to seeing the quality it will bring! |
Hi,
The Helios-81 ABTOMAT is used in Kiev-10/15 camera. It is not in Nikon F unless the lens has been converted. Go for a Helios-81 H if you want a copy with F mount http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_396.html . |
it's actually going on my canon 600D ... I had some trouble finding out what mount it was on
I've ordered a nikon f to eos adapter ... I take it I have ordered the wrong one? woops... |
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calvin83
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:38 am Post subject: |
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No adapter is available for either Canon EOS nor Nikon F. You need to convert the lens. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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BurstMox
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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BurstMox wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
No adapter is available for either Canon EOS nor Nikon F. You need to convert the lens. |
And conversion is not easy since the diaphragm is controled by the camera. Also if you manage to convert it, you will have infinity only on mirrorless. The Avtomat mount is like a russian Canon FD mount. _________________ Pierre
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hasan wrote:
Just bought a Auto Cosmogon (SN: 008803) on a Zenith Em.
Both look good.
Not reveived yet. Will post a pic as soon as it arrives.
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Langstrum wrote:
After getting the chrome Helios 44 f22, I've reached another achievement in collecting Helios lenses. It's supposed to be in the first batch of Helios 44-2 from KMZ, right? This lens is being delivered to me so I don't know about the quality yet, but I have another one from KMZ (N0001991) and it's the sharpest among the Helios 44-2 I've tested.
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Humulus
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Humulus wrote:
Just look at that serial number Nice one! |
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BurstMox
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BurstMox wrote:
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Just look at that serial number Nice one! |
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