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Riku
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: Tamron SP 2X Teleconverter |
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Riku wrote:
First stupid question... These are adaptable, right? But for example here it says "for Nikon". Click here to see on Ebay
Which are better for macro with SP 90mm, 2x teleconverter or extensiontubes? |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I don't know the specific lens, but generally speaking extension tubes are best for macro and not only because you can get closer to the object, but also because you don't add any optics to your scheme (any additional glass, be it in front or in the back of your lens, will always somehow degrade your lens' performance). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
There is a very rare exception (such as the Vivitar 90/2.5 Ser 1) where they included an adapter with glass that had been designed into the lens. The adapter on the Viv is used to take the lens to 1:1 and is extremely sharp in this case.
patrick _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yes this is an adaptall-2 converter I have one. I used only once with a 300m sp lens I couldn't handle it. Focal length was to long and speed was very slow F11! In my opinion unusable. _________________ -------------------------------
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Actually this particular adapter was designed into the lens. Here is a picture of the adapter on the lens:
and here is a picture taken in natural light of the marking on my Sigma 105/2.8 macro by the Vivitar:
_________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Riku
Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1059 Location: Finland
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Riku wrote:
Thanks for the info, everyone! |
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440roadrunner
Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 52
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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440roadrunner wrote:
Some of you are confused. This is not a macro adapter, nor an extension tube. It is an "extender" (what Canon calls them) the rest of us call them a 2x teleconverter.
What you do is, you remove the mount from your Tamron Adaptall-2 lens, and sandwitch this teleconverter in between the Adaptall-2 mount and the lens.
They are a little clumsy to use, because you of course must remove the Adaptall from the lens, then install this, with the same clumsiness that is usual with Adaptall mounts, and then re-install the Adaptall mount on the back, with the same clumsiness all over again. I can't imagine doing it in a hurry, or low light. They can only be used with Tamron Adaptall-2 (I don't know about the older Adaptall) lenses. Also, they won't work with some Tamron lenses, because the back lens element on some Tamron lenses will interfere with the teleconverter, just like happens on some lenses and Canon "extenders"
That would have been a good buy, if you wanted one, but they don't fit Nikon as pictured. You would need a separate Adaptall-2 mount for Nikon body, and then all the other end would fit, would be an Adaptall-2 lens
I really have not experimented very much with the one I have, except to learn that in my age and shakey hands, I can't hang on to many telephoto's anymore, much less with a 2X hanging on there.
What I DO try sometimes, is this: I have a Tamron SP 1.4X teleconverter, which fits my Canon EOS, but it WILL NOT work with the focus chips I use in some of my manual lenses, such as my Nikor 180mm F2.8. What I do there, is I made a "washer" out of a plastic lid cover, that fits down inside the Canon XT and covers up the electrical connector. I can manual focus, that's all. |
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Riku
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Riku wrote:
440roadrunner wrote: |
What you do is, you remove the mount from your Tamron Adaptall-2 lens, and sandwitch this teleconverter in between the Adaptall-2 mount and the lens.
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Thanks that's what I wanted to know. But it would become a little too long for macro... I think I try to find extensiontubes. |
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440roadrunner
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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440roadrunner wrote:
I wasn't thinking straight when I wrote the comment about macro----the thing is, that this particular 2x won't work on many "short" lenses, and I don't know if it will fit the 90mm, either, because I don't have one, referring, here, to lens element interferance. It won't for example, fit my little Tamron Adaptall 28-70mm F3.5, model 159A, on which the rear element comes out too far.
Here's some more:
http://www.adaptall-2.com/lenses/200F.html
http://www.adaptall-2.com/ |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This TC is not optimized for macro usage, Tamron SP 90 original extension is a simple tube without lenses. I used a Vivitar 2X TC with 135mm Pentacon lens, result was only slightly worst than without TC. T loose 2 fstop big compromise, main reason is this why I not use TC. I found two technic two make good magnification for macro shooting.
1) reverse mounted Pancolar 50mm f1.8
2) Kiron made macro TC for Vivitar with this TC you can turn your 50mm lens to a pretty good macro 1:1 lens.
My personal advice forget all TC , buy a Nikkor 55mm f3.5 Non-AI lens,as usual going pretty cheap on Ebay. It has macro 1:1 capability and provide very good result. _________________ -------------------------------
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Riku
Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1059 Location: Finland
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Riku wrote:
I have Vivitar 2x macro teleconverter for Canon FD. It's designed for 50mm lens.
Vivitar 2x Macro TC + Canon FD 50mm 1.8
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Looks magnification is right, I can't judge the quality based on a scanned pic. _________________ -------------------------------
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Riku
Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1059 Location: Finland
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Riku wrote:
How do you know the manufacturer of your Vivitar TC? I didn't find serial number on mine. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is mine, made by Kiron.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/meyer/meyer_optik_oreston_50mm_f1_8/ _________________ -------------------------------
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Riku
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Riku wrote:
Which mount is that? Mine looks the same except it has Canon FD mount and auto/manual switch. |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I have two copies with Nikon mount. We can trade one of them .. _________________ -------------------------------
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Riku
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Riku wrote:
I don't think I can use Nikon mount with Pentax
Maybe I change to Canon at some point |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
hahaha _________________ -------------------------------
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Seek on Ebay, if you are lucky you can get it for a few money with Pentax mount. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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patrickh
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Vivitar Manufacturers |
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patrickh wrote:
@Riku
Here is the guide to the Vivitar manufacturers:
http://www.cameraquest.com/VivLensManuf.htm _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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