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francotirador
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 Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: Sonnar 135/3.5 & Pentacon 135/2,8 preset- Comparison |
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francotirador wrote:
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hk300
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: |
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hk300 wrote:
great comparison.
The Sonnar is that the MC version or the Zebra?
i assume that the preset Pentacon, is the Orestegor version?
Both outputs have excellent colors, but also shows that both have different strengths, the Sonnar is much sharper full open, but the Pentacon has a nicer bokeh.
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francotirador
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:45 am Post subject: |
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francotirador wrote:
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great comparison.
The Sonnar is that the MC version or the Zebra?
i assume that the preset Pentacon, is the Orestegor version?
Both outputs have excellent colors, but also shows that both have different strengths, the Sonnar is much sharper full open, but the Pentacon has a nicer bokeh. |
It is the Sonnar 135/3.5-MC-Red.
Greetings & Thanks
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larsr
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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larsr wrote:
Good test, thanks!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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PaulC wrote:
Nice comparison. Thanks.
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djmike wrote:
IMHO, Sonnar has better 3D and Bokeh. Mike
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
I think Pentacon/Meyer has smoother bokeh. Sonnar has more hard-edged highlights even wide opened.
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thePiRaTE!! wrote:
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| I think Pentacon/Meyer has smoother bokeh. Sonnar has more hard-edged highlights even wide opened. |
I agree, although the Zeiss (as seems to be the usual) offers better contrast.
Would use the Pentacon for dreamy shots and the Zeiss for sharp ones - keep both 
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fish4570 wrote:
what the pirate said ...
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francotirador
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:43 am Post subject: |
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francotirador wrote:
| thePiRaTE!! wrote: |
| no-X wrote: |
| I think Pentacon/Meyer has smoother bokeh. Sonnar has more hard-edged highlights even wide opened. |
I agree, although the Zeiss (as seems to be the usual) offers better contrast.
Would use the Pentacon for dreamy shots and the Zeiss for sharp ones - keep both
K. |
Not only have different characteristics if they need different lights. The Pentacon, has the best Bokeh in situations of low contrast of light like a sunset. Greetings
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igottofly
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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igottofly wrote:
Very useful, thanks!
Really don't know if I should get a Sonnar or not. I'm pleased with the pentacon I bought for 17€ (using it on movie mode). The question is, would I be more pleased if I'd spent 120€ on a sonnar?
I guess I would just have to try it, to take the doubts 
I didn't do any tests at all, but intuitively it seems my pentacon auto MC is less sharp than the preset...
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patrickh wrote:
Thanks for all this work - very useful for many of us
patrickh
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francotirador
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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francotirador wrote:
| patrickh wrote: |
Thanks for all this work - very useful for many of us
patrickh |
Your welcome, patrickh.
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francotirador
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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francotirador wrote:
| igottofly wrote: |
Very useful, thanks!
Really don't know if I should get a Sonnar or not. I'm pleased with the pentacon I bought for 17€ (using it on movie mode). The question is, would I be more pleased if I'd spent 120€ on a sonnar?
I guess I would just have to try it, to take the doubts
I didn't do any tests at all, but intuitively it seems my pentacon auto MC is less sharp than the preset... |
The question is: What is your reason for happiness? Photographically speaking ....
The Pentacom MC should be a little sharper than the preset. It is possible to have a thin layer of oil?
Greetings and thanks for your comment
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Sonnar shows better micro-contrast which results into more "3D".
Pentacon images are more flat.
Different styles anyway, there is people who prefers smooth-flat for portraits.
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francotirador
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:01 am Post subject: |
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francotirador wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
Sonnar shows better micro-contrast which results into more "3D".
Pentacon images are more flat.
Different styles anyway, there is people who prefers smooth-flat for portraits. |
If it is as you say. Both have their magic and I keep and use them to work.
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evilhomura89
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evilhomura89 wrote:
Thanks for the comparison
I know it's a bit too late but could u share the serial of your Carl Zeiss Jena lenss?s
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