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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4572 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:49 pm Post subject: test: 6x50/55mm - 3xTakumar, Nikkor, Pancolar, Yashinon |
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kuuan wrote:
Some comparison photos taken these 6 lenses:
photos taken in RAW with Pentax *istDs ( APS-C sensor )
converted in LR with default settings ( exposure not corrected )
the full view ( Nikkor @f4 - originally looks sharper, but resized without sharpening )
100% center crop wide open:
100% center crop @f2.8
100% left top corner crop wide open:
100% left top corner crop @f2
100% left top corner @f2.8:
please be suspicious of the results:
my manual focusing is not all that accurate, for this reason some already had been retaken with somewhat changed lighting situation.
here a reference of focus accuracy: ( f2.8 takes +10 brightness, + 20 contrasts + 1xclick on sharpening in PS7 )
I may show more full views or crops of the bokeh part is so desired
later edit:
see the original files of the full frames @f1.4, @f1.8, @f2, @f2.8 and @f5.6 here: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/119815/album/169949 _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections
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djmike
Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
A must war. I am all eyes to see all comment now. _________________
DSLR: Canon 400D
SLR: Nikon FM2 + Canon A-1 + Canon AE1-P + Praktica MTL-5B + Pentax Spotmatic F + Fujica ST801 + Voigtlander Bassematic + Voigtlander Vito + Rollei 35S + Rolleiflex SL35 ME + Canon QL17 GIII + Olympus Pen EE-3
Lenses
M42: CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4 + CZJ Flektogon Zebra 35/2.8 + CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 + CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 + CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 Chrome + Pentacon 135/2.8 + Pentacon 50/1.8 + SMC Takumar 50/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55/2 + SMC Takumar 135/3.5 + Fujinon 55/1.8 + Jupiter-9 85/2 + Jupiter-37A 135/3.5 + Helios 44-6 58/2
Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
Other: Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
that 2/55 tak - cheapest, right? - seems to be an excellent performer ... _________________ Paul
I chase Light
http://blackcreekjournal.blogspot.com/ |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4572 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
djmike wrote: |
A must war. I am all eyes to see all comment now. |
hihi...if for somebody this is war it's his own fault. ( maybe I take your comment too serious, but there is a reason why I don't show this in a german forum where I used to be active, don't need no personal attacks )
- I will not justify nor defend my faulty testing, I simply have fun with my lenses, do comparisons for myself, and share results. what you, the viewer, does with it, is up to you
Relayer wrote: |
hmmm ... I think that Yashica is winner why? because I love Yashica and bokeh is more important for me than sharpness |
Relayer because of you the photos show Yashica cameras, and of course, the Yashinon is the winner
I am afraid these sample shots don't show much of bokeh, but here you go:
100% crops of f2 pics:
fish4570 wrote: |
that 2/55 tak - cheapest, right? - seems to be an excellent performer ... |
fish the 2/55 Auto Tak usually sells for little, but it is a bit rarer than the often seen Super/S-M-C Takumar 2/55mm which you may think of? The later is optically ident to the Super Takumar f1.8/55 shown here ( and which is not ideally focused ) _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections
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andyw
Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 624 Location: Surrey. UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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andyw wrote:
Really interesting and useful thread! Thanks for posting and taking the effort!
The Super Tak 55mm f1.8 is doing a cracking job which is handy as i have one _________________ Andy
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Interesting indeed! But please Andreas, buy yourself a Pentax K-x and your focusing problems will go away _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Thanks for sharing these samples.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4572 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
Interesting indeed! But please Andreas, buy yourself a Pentax K-x and your focusing problems will go away |
using live view?
though I am even more curious how the K-x will be for focusing through the viewfinder, I had pushed the 'buy button' for a K-x yesterday, now looking out for the postman every morning _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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poilu
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
interesting test |
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
aha! thank you. _________________ Paul
I chase Light
http://blackcreekjournal.blogspot.com/ |
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Cobalt60
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 544 Location: Central Europe
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Cobalt60 wrote:
Kudos for the fantastic test picture!!! By far better than graphic lines *g* _________________ Visit the Yashica Information Site! |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4572 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
...and your focusing problems will go away |
all samples / crops now updated, taken from now hopefully more consistently / evenly focused photos, but of course the lighting will have changed
( set up had remained same, and I added 100% corner crop @f2.8 where the Nikkor shines )
the reference:
( f2.8 takes, for visibility +10 brightness, +20 contrast, + 1xclick on sharpen in PS7 )
and I just finished uploading the original files of the full frames @f1.4 through @f2.8 and @f5.6, they can be viewed here: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/119815/album/169949[/quote] _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
These tests are fun and educational - you can see just how much lens differences matter vs. the contingencies of precise focus, exposure etc. In other words, the best lens when everything by chance and technique comes together is fantastic, but every lens past some certain point, given the variables of life, will equal it in most situations.
That out of the way, I do see some Takumar family trait, the continuity of tone... which some of the others have less of. This is a good thing, but it's lack can also be used artistically or communicatively - e.g. the separation of highlights from mid tones can actually make some photos better.
Thanks for posting the work! _________________ -Jussi
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djmike
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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djmike wrote:
kuuan wrote: |
djmike wrote: |
A must war. I am all eyes to see all comment now. |
hihi...if for somebody this is war it's his own fault. ( maybe I take your comment too serious, but there is a reason why I don't show this in a german forum where I used to be active, don't need no personal attacks )
- I will not justify nor defend my faulty testing, I simply have fun with my lenses, do comparisons for myself, and share results. what you, the viewer, does with it, is up to you
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Take it easy..... everyone has 50/58mm and I have two in these six. We have not seen a test with 6 lenses together and this looks is an interesting test. Mike _________________
DSLR: Canon 400D
SLR: Nikon FM2 + Canon A-1 + Canon AE1-P + Praktica MTL-5B + Pentax Spotmatic F + Fujica ST801 + Voigtlander Bassematic + Voigtlander Vito + Rollei 35S + Rolleiflex SL35 ME + Canon QL17 GIII + Olympus Pen EE-3
Lenses
M42: CZJ Flektogon 35/2.4 + CZJ Flektogon Zebra 35/2.8 + CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8 + CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 + CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 Chrome + Pentacon 135/2.8 + Pentacon 50/1.8 + SMC Takumar 50/1.4 + SMC Takumar 55/2 + SMC Takumar 135/3.5 + Fujinon 55/1.8 + Jupiter-9 85/2 + Jupiter-37A 135/3.5 + Helios 44-6 58/2
Nikor: Nikkor 50/1.4 + Nikkor 28/3.5 + Nikkor 35-105 Zoom + 36-72 Series E Zoom
Canon: Canon FD + 28/2.8 + 50/1.8 + Canon 35-105 Macro Zoom
Other: Rollei Planar HFT 50/1.8
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Andreas.
Great job.
Thank you for share it
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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