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Petzval 1840
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 Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: The word zoom comes from the Zoomar lenses. |
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Petzval 1840 wrote:
Hello:
Few people know that the word " zoom " comes from the Zoomar lenses: these zoom were the first ones that sold for cameras of 35 mm. Previously only the zoom was used in cinematography and TV.
I give them the link:
http://www.kilfitt.org/Lenses/Zoomar_38_82.htm
Bests Regards. David. |
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Hi David.
I used these lens. I had three copies of it.
I never used so bad lens !!!! At 2,8/36 mm almost not usuable !!! Distortion of all around. Flare at all. Pull-push system. I sold them with economycal beneficts because they are collector item.
I was a voigltander collector, and because this I bought them (one for me and the two to resell). I remember that the last I bought with a voigtlander ultramatic CS and a special leather case made by voigtlander for both items (The case is with me now, the cam and the lenses no).
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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scsambrook
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
I think maybe the word "zoom" was with us long before the Zoomar lens arrived. Not 100% certain, but I think it was used in connection with flying, maybe during the Great War 1914-18 ,to describe aerial combat manoeuvres - "diving and zooming" sort of thing. Maybe Voigtlander and Zoomar raided Webster's Dictionary and appropriated it for their own use!
When I went to work in a camera shop in the mid-60s we had the entire Voigtlander SLR range in stock - including the Zoomar lens. Lots of interest shown, but it was still on the shelf SIX YEARS later when I left. Not exactly popular, I'm afraid. Was it actually the first "zoom" camera lens?
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Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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Sevo
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: The word zoom comes from the Zoomar lenses. |
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Sevo wrote:
| Petzval 1840 wrote: |
Hello:
Few people know that the word " zoom " comes from the Zoomar lenses: these zoom were the first ones that sold for cameras of 35 mm. Previously only the zoom was used in cinematography and TV.
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Strictly speaking, the Zoomar was named after the zoom and not vice versa - varifocal lenses (which were invented around 1900) were already called zooms after they got popular as a camera movement substitute in early TV.
"Zoom" itself, as a onomatopoeic term for noisy, fast objects, is already widespread throughout the literature of the twenties and thirties - not invented for, but obviously made popular by the doppler pitch change of shells passing overhead which must have been the signature noise of WWI. Pre war references usually are to birds ("zooming like a thrush").
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Petzval 1840
Joined: 26 Aug 2009
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Location: N.E. of Spain (Europe)
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: I am rectifying. |
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Petzval 1840 wrote:
Hello:
I remind to them that I do not speak English and that I must use " Free Translation Online ".
I wanted to say that the word zoom recounted to lenses for cameras, it comes from the name Zoomar: in the link it is read that the zooms were already used by the cinematography and TV, but that the Zoomar lenses were the first ones that could be bought for photo cameras.
Clearly from what you demonstrate, the word zoom was already used previously to mean a rapid action and Zoomar derives from this.
Is it possible that Zoomar brand has influenced in popularizing the name zoom recounted to lenses?
You see that I am rectifying.
Bests Regards: David |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
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Location: Argentina
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estudleon wrote:
| scsambrook wrote: |
use!
When I went to work in a camera shop in the mid-60s we had the entire Voigtlander SLR range in stock . |
I lost in the river the 350/5,6 super dinarex lens, and never found another again.
I had to know you before!!!!!! 
Regards, Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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peterm1
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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peterm1 wrote:
I think actually the zoomar got its name from the word zoom not the other way around.
For example, in world war 2 American fighter pilots adopted a tactic of sitting high in the sky and pouncing down onto unsuspecting enemy planes below (as they were highly armed but not so manouverable as some planes like the Japanese zero this is the only way they could compete.) Anyway they named the tactic "zoom and boom."
So the word was here before the lens.
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