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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1554 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:21 pm Post subject: Auto Yashinon 5cm f2 variations |
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blotafton wrote:
I like this lens a lot and have managed to get 3 of them. Upon closer examination I have spotted small differences.
The one with the serial number starting with 1 have a slightly different front plate, look at the serial numbers. Also the f numbers on the depth of field scale are finer.
When looking at the position of aperture open lever and the aperture ring they are not at the same location relative to the name plate.
The levers for opening the aperture looks like they are hand filed.
The middle lens looks taller but I think has been taken apart and put back together the wrong way. Real infinity is past the infinity mark.
If other forum members have this lens post if you have other variations or just have thoughts about this post.
Lets see what the highest and lowest serial numbers are.
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10541 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Auto Yashinon 5cm f2 variations |
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visualopsins wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
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When looking at the position of aperture open lever and the aperture ring they are not at the same location relative to the name plate.
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Name plate threads were probably cut by hand, at different times...you can verify by replacing the old lens' name plate with one of the others, temporarily, of course. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2926 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
This is a delicious lens, a real jewel. Stunning build quality and great bokeh. |
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Alex TG
Joined: 13 Oct 2019 Posts: 221 Location: Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Alex TG wrote:
Those got really expensive in the recent years, thanks to the one tatooed guy from YouTube... |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1554 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Alex TG wrote: |
Those got really expensive in the recent years, thanks to the one tatooed guy from YouTube... |
I saw that tatoo guy's video too and thought it would be hard to find one. But luckily enough I already had one from a cheap impulse buy from earlier without knowing what it was! |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1554 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Auto Yashinon 5cm f2 variations |
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blotafton wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
blotafton wrote: |
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When looking at the position of aperture open lever and the aperture ring they are not at the same location relative to the name plate.
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Name plate threads were probably cut by hand, at different times...you can verify by replacing the old lens' name plate with one of the others, temporarily, of course. |
I could but I don't want to make more tool marks on them. |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 761 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
You should include the 5cm Tominon C in your evaluation. It's the same lens.
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1554 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
The Tominon looks so good! I'd like to have one. For the faint hearted don't check ebay prices |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6009 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
The Tominon looks so good! I'd like to have one. For the faint hearted don't check ebay prices |
hahahaha - Tomioka tax.
A bit like Leica tax.
If it even smells like a Tomioka or a Leica, the price is tripled |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I think I have two of these lenses, and if so one is for sale. The numbers are 333335 ( which I definitely have ) and 330218 ( which is on my list but not in the cabinet and not marked as sold )
Both of these lenses had the sticky stop down problem, which I cured by removing the black cover plate on the back of the lens, then thoroughly cleaning the track that the brass piece slides along. I tried lubricating with light oil, but that went sticky on cold days. My view is it's best left unlubricated and spotlessly clean.
I have a similar Takumar, which is sometimes confused with the Yashinon, but it is 55 / 1.8 and is entirely different, the Yashinon has 6 blades and the Takumar has 10, but they are remarkably heavy for such tiny lenses and of very similar size and style. Both are wonderful lenses.
_________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
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Gardener
Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Posts: 950 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Gardener wrote:
Oldhand wrote: |
If it even smells like a Tomioka or a Leica, the price is tripled |
There has been a trend of calling every Yashinon, and every 55mm a Tomioka, to the point of absurd.
Also, recently I've been seeing an increasing number of sellers who ask M money for R lenses. |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1554 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I think I have two of these lenses, and if so one is for sale. The numbers are 333335 ( which I definitely have ) and 330218 ( which is on my list but not in the cabinet and not marked as sold )
Both of these lenses had the sticky stop down problem, which I cured by removing the black cover plate on the back of the lens, then thoroughly cleaning the track that the brass piece slides along. I tried lubricating with light oil, but that went sticky on cold days. My view is it's best left unlubricated and spotlessly clean.
I have a similar Takumar, which is sometimes confused with the Yashinon, but it is 55 / 1.8 and is entirely different, the Yashinon has 6 blades and the Takumar has 10, but they are remarkably heavy for such tiny lenses and of very similar size and style. Both are wonderful lenses.
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Highest number so far! Sometimes it can take a few days for me to find a lens, hopefully it will show up |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
333335 is the highest of the two I should have, it's the one I still have. ( I think I had a few lenses stolen at the last Camera Fair ) _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
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http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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Alun Thomas
Joined: 20 Aug 2018 Posts: 631 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Alun Thomas wrote:
A later variant still of the lens is for sale, if your pockets are deep enough (no affiliation with myself):
link to ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-AS-IS-Yashica-J-3-Black-Film-Camera-w-Auto-Yashinon-5cm-f-2-From-Japan/164496647861?hash=item264cc3a6b5:g:4YcAAOSwYddfKBjo
This lens looks like a black version of the Tominon badged same lens which was sold with the Wards SLR 600 camera (apparently a Yashica made unit). There are several Tominon lenses for sale on ebay with serials in the 39x xxx range, suggesting these were manufactured after Yashica stopped using the lens and moved on to something else. |
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ramiller500
Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 124 Location: Indianapolis, IN, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:36 pm Post subject: Auto Yashinon 5cm f2 variations |
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ramiller500 wrote:
These later M42 lenses used the same optical design:
Yashinon DX 50mm 2.0
Yashinon DS 50mm 2.0
These both can cause mirror interference at and near infinity when mounted on non-Yashica SLRs.
NOTE: The later Yashinon DS 50mm 1.9 was a different optical design (6-4 vs previous 6-5) and did not cause this interference _________________ Sincerely,
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 761 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
FWIW, I recorded the serial numbers of my lenses.
1) Auto Yashinon 5cm f/2 --- 124202
2) Auto Yashinon 5cm f/2 --- 323852
3) Tominon C 5cm f/2 --- 393516
BTW, number one has had a harder life than the others, and has a lot of wear and tear, but like the others it still functions flawlessly. These lenses are extremely robust mechanically. Even the grease still feels brand new in all three of them. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7785 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I found a scrap of paper with a list of stuff I sold at the Camera Fair last summer and my 'missing' lens was sold on the nearly mint Yashica Reflex 35 I bought it with, for £50, which was a bargain for the lucky purchaser, but still a good profit for me. I still have a Yashica TL Electro for the lens I still have. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
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http://www.ipernity.com/home/294337 |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1554 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
So far we have serial numbers starting with 1 and some more starting with 3. But no 2 or 4. I wonder if there are any starting with 2. |
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KEO
Joined: 27 Sep 2018 Posts: 761 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
Here's another shot of my Tominon, FWIW:
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M. Valdemar
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 93
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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M. Valdemar wrote:
Here's one that got away:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233858468152 |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2494
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
Look on Yahoo Japan via Buyee. They appear regularly and sometimes very low prices. Saw one go for 1500 yen or so just last week
https://buyee.jp/item/search/query/yashinon%205cm%20f2%20-minister?sort=cbids&order=a&translationType=1 _________________ pentaxian |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2926 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
I guess it’s a fairly common lens in Japan. Nevertheless, a very nice piece of engineering, even for the usual Ebay prices. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2494
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:28 am Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
auto-takumars 55mm F2's are even cheaper and I like there bokeh better:p _________________ pentaxian |
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blotafton
Joined: 08 Aug 2013 Posts: 1554 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
D1N0 wrote: |
auto-takumars 55mm F2's are even cheaper and I like there bokeh better:p |
There is a guy on Youtube called Zenography that reviews lenses and I think he has coined a new term. It's the "unsweet spot" where the bokeh on some lenses turn from smooth to not so smooth. Anyway I personally like the unsweet spot and strong bokeh edges.
His channel is like wine testing but for lenses, quite entertaining. |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2494
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
The Yashinon Bokeh is more like the Pancolar 50/1.8 I think than the Takumar.
Can you tell them apart?
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