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pinkf
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 Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:02 pm Post subject: Sigma lens history |
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pinkf wrote:
I am very interested in the history of sigma lenses. I searched the internet for detailed information: which lens was made in which year. I could not find this information. Even on the official websites of sigma, that information is not available in detail.
Therefore my question for links from websites that show the detailed lens history of sigma.
Who can help me with links.
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PBFACTS
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Sigma lens history |
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PBFACTS wrote:
| pinkf wrote: |
I am very interested in the history of sigma lenses. I searched the internet for detailed information: which lens was made in which year. I could not find this information. Even on the official websites of sigma, that information is not available in detail.
Therefore my question for links from websites that show the detailed lens history of sigma.
Who can help me with links.
Greetings pinkf |
There is THE link
https://www.sigma-imaging-uk.com/lounge/sigma-history-1961-2010
pbfacts
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OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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pinkf
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Sigma lens history |
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pinkf wrote:
I think this website is not complete. Sigma made much more lenses that are mentioned here. |
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PBFACTS
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Sigma lens history |
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PBFACTS wrote:
| pinkf wrote: |
I think this website is not complete. Sigma made much more lenses that are mentioned here. |
except non sold lenses (as the af interchangeable mount series ) it seems to me complete
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OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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pinkf
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pinkf wrote:
My 18mm f3.5 ys lens is not there.
Also the 135mm f1.8 ys lens.
Etc. |
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
I found this sometime back and I'm supposed to give the link but I don't have it anymore. Sorry for the copyright.
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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pinkf
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pinkf wrote:
Thanks!
This is the periode 1970 - 1980.
I am also looking for the rest up to 2021.
pinkf |
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55
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55 wrote:
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I found this sometime back and I'm supposed to give the link but I don't have it anymore. Sorry for the copyright.
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Thanks for sharing the interesting information. I don't have a link to the original source either, but member Pancolart wrote that the chart came from ksmt.com :
http://forum.mflenses.com/sigma-ys-system-focusing-lenses-t38337.html
And I wonder how accurate the data are? The chart states that the XQ 135mm f/1.8 has 4 elements in 4 groups. But my own copy of that lens has 6 elements in 4 groups. |
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Phalbert
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55, I've seen somewhere that the XQ and YS differ. The one is a 4/4 the other 6/4. I have to search a bit. I do have the YS.
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
In fact I just realised it's in that table. So this info goes a bit against the accepted info that they are similar... Anyone willing to dismantle his XQ ? 
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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55
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55 wrote:
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| In fact I just realised it's in that table. So this info goes a bit against the accepted info that they are similar... Anyone willing to dismantle his XQ ? |
At your service, Phalbert.
Actually, it was a couple years ago when I disassembled my XQ 135 f/1.8 for cleaning. It has 4 groups and 6 elements. The second group has 3 elements cemented together.
There were multiple iterations of the Sigma 135 f1.8, so there certainly could have been differing optical layouts. But both my YS and XQ 1.8s have the same 4/6 scheme.
Here's my XQ:
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Phalbert
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Wow ! Impressed ! You make it almost look easy. So few parts ? That means the info in the table is not 100 % ok. And now I know whom I should ask if I were to try to open a lens sometime. 😊 How is your resolution WO with the XQ ?
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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pinkf
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pinkf wrote:
Wow ! I am also impressed !
gr. pinkf |
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Alun Thomas
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Alun Thomas wrote:
| 55 wrote: |
Actually, it was a couple years ago when I disassembled my XQ 135 f/1.8 for cleaning. It has 4 groups and 6 elements. The second group has 3 elements cemented together.
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That's quite interesting. I have a copy of this in either YS or XQ series, I forget which. I have never disassembled it.
The Sigma XQ series brochure posted here http://forum.mflenses.com/sigma-xq-lenses-t73290.html seems to show a 5/6 scheme, but in the accompanying text refers to it as having a 4/6 scheme. Possibly this is the brochure most other internet references were based on, and the mistake has spread from there. It would be interesting to see if anyone has disassembled a 5/6 version.
edit - this lens may assume a higher level of favouritism with myself now (for no good reason), I'm a sucker for a cemented triplet. |
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calvin83
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calvin83 wrote:
| 55 wrote: |
| Phalbert wrote: |
| In fact I just realised it's in that table. So this info goes a bit against the accepted info that they are similar... Anyone willing to dismantle his XQ ? |
At your service, Phalbert.
Actually, it was a couple years ago when I disassembled my XQ 135 f/1.8 for cleaning. It has 4 groups and 6 elements. The second group has 3 elements cemented together.
There were multiple iterations of the Sigma 135 f1.8, so there certainly could have been differing optical layouts. But both my YS and XQ 1.8s have the same 4/6 scheme.
Here's my XQ:
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Excellent work! Lens brochure may contain some false information which will become widespread.
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Alun Thomas
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Alun Thomas wrote:
I looked at my copy once I got home today. It is an XQ version, but still with YS mount. My copy has the triple cemented element. I wonder if they can be found in the 5/6 version too, and whether that version was later or earlier than the 4/6 one. |
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55
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:23 am Post subject: |
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55 wrote:
| Phalbert wrote: |
| Wow ! Impressed ! You make it almost look easy. So few parts ? That means the info in the table is not 100 % ok. And now I know whom I should ask if I were to try to open a lens sometime. 😊 How is your resolution WO with the XQ ? |
Yes, I do enjoy tinkering with lenses. And you're so right, Phalbert. Sigma created a wonderfully simple and logical design for that 135. It's one of the easier lenses I've had the pleasure to work on.
If pixel peeping, my XQ is soft with some glow wide open. And its rendering has more "character" than my other fast 135s.
And that's a good thing! I wouldn't want all my lenses to be "perfect"! 
If you'd like to see for yourself, here's a brief comparison of an Azalea:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/158740233@N04/albums/72157718559923100/with/51083146122/
Right. I've also wondered about that.
| calvin83 wrote: |
Excellent work! Lens brochure may contain some false information which will become widespread. |
Thanks, calvin.
| pinkf wrote: |
Wow ! I am also impressed !
gr. pinkf |
Thank you. But I'm sorry for sidetracking your topic, pinkf. I blame Phalbert for leading me astray.
Regarding Sigma history, all I can do is point you toward Sigma literature. In addition to the XQ brochure Alun Thomas linked to, there's a 1980s brochure here:
https://www.cameramanuals.org/booklets/sigma_lens_booklet.pdf
And here are scans from a 1977 brochure I own:
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Unfortunately, Sigma didn't include data for the 135mm f/1.8 in their specifications table.  |
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Phalbert
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Phalbert wrote:
Awesome infos and docs ! And mea culpa for straying off topic, but I'm sure pink_f enjoys it too !
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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Phalbert
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Phalbert wrote:
I notice both the 135 f1,8 and the 200 f2,8 come in YS and XQ versions, with the YSs having one more element. They should be the better ones. I had a friend who bought a 200 f2,8 secondhand on my recomendation (1981 I think, I only saw a big tele and assumed it can't be bad... no idea if it was YS or XQ...) He was not happy with me at all, coz he never managed a sharp picture with it. But we were both novice and he must have done one or 2 rhings wrong, I'm sure. 
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🙋 My wishlist: Titan or Idaho 135/1,8 Nikon Df Nikkor 105/1,8 35/1,4 85/1,4
My dream lenses: Zuiko 180/2 Prototype Zuiko 85/1,4
Zeiss CY: 55/1,2 85/1,2
Astro Berlin 250/2 Canon EF 50/1,0 85/1,2
Nikkor 105/1,4 28/1,4
My stolen stuff: Zuiko 24/2 #106874; Zuiko 35-80/2,8 #102180; Zuiko 35/2 #119168; Zuiko 90/2 macro #102858; Zuiko x1,4 converter #102019; Tamron 17/3,5 #400567; Tamron 400/4 #80407; Soligor 135/2 #17506600 Sigma 28/1,8 #1001124 |
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pinkf
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pinkf wrote:
Many thanks for all that info!
Gr pinkf |
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vivaldibow
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vivaldibow wrote:
| 55 wrote: |
| Phalbert wrote: |
| Wow ! Impressed ! You make it almost look easy. So few parts ? That means the info in the table is not 100 % ok. And now I know whom I should ask if I were to try to open a lens sometime. 😊 How is your resolution WO with the XQ ? |
Yes, I do enjoy tinkering with lenses. And you're so right, Phalbert. Sigma created a wonderfully simple and logical design for that 135. It's one of the easier lenses I've had the pleasure to work on.
If pixel peeping, my XQ is soft with some glow wide open. And its rendering has more "character" than my other fast 135s.
And that's a good thing! I wouldn't want all my lenses to be "perfect"!
If you'd like to see for yourself, here's a brief comparison of an Azalea:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/158740233@N04/albums/72157718559923100/with/51083146122/
Right. I've also wondered about that.
| calvin83 wrote: |
Excellent work! Lens brochure may contain some false information which will become widespread. |
Thanks, calvin.
| pinkf wrote: |
Wow ! I am also impressed !
gr. pinkf |
Thank you. But I'm sorry for sidetracking your topic, pinkf. I blame Phalbert for leading me astray.
Regarding Sigma history, all I can do is point you toward Sigma literature. In addition to the XQ brochure Alun Thomas linked to, there's a 1980s brochure here:
https://www.cameramanuals.org/booklets/sigma_lens_booklet.pdf
And here are scans from a 1977 brochure I own:
Unfortunately, Sigma didn't include data for the 135mm f/1.8 in their specifications table. |
Very precious information. Somehow the 100mm f/2.8 macro (if my memory is correct) is not included either. The lens is from the same series. The particular copy I got has hazy element. |
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PBFACTS
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:19 am Post subject: |
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PBFACTS wrote:
| Phalbert wrote: |
| I notice both the 135 f1,8 and the 200 f2,8 come in YS and XQ versions, with the YSs having one more element. They should be the better ones. I had a friend who bought a 200 f2,8 secondhand on my recomendation (1981 I think, I only saw a big tele and assumed it can't be bad... no idea if it was YS or XQ...) He was not happy with me at all, coz he never managed a sharp picture with it. But we were both novice and he must have done one or 2 rhings wrong, I'm sure. |
The XQ were supposed of better optical quality (Xetra Quality)
The ys are the standard version with interchangeable mount
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OM USER .. I KEEP/USE:
Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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pinkf
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:36 am Post subject: |
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pinkf wrote:
New source
Look at https://sigma-romandie.com/liste-historique-gamme-optique.shtml
gr. pinkf |
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tomasg
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pinkf
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pinkf wrote:
I found an interesting website about the sigma lens history.
Look at https://clever-geek.imtqy.com/articles/4035347/index.html
gr. pinkf |
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