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Spotmatic
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| Olivier wrote: | | Spotmatic wrote: | | Oh yes, now I remember! Do you see the slotted tube in the back? Unscrew this and the whole optical block comes off at the front (only the focusing helicoid stays). Then you should be able to put the optical block back in the correct position. |
A big Thank you, Peter !
I'll see that when I'll feel cool to try to open it.
Cheers. |
Please do; it's quite simple and more than 5 minutes is not needed (if at all).
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indianadinos
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Location: Toulouse, France
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Merci Olivier,
Unluckily, i'm looking for an M42 one, too ...
Nevertheless, i have at least one shop in Toulouse and two other streetmarket sellers to check  ...
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Takumar: 24/3.5, 28/3.5, 35/2, 35/3.5, 50/1.4, 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 105/2.8, 135/3.5, 150/4, 200/4
Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
Nikkor: Nikkor-O 35/2, Micro 55/3.5, Nikkor-Q 135/2.8
Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Spotmatic wrote: |
Please do; it's quite simple and more than 5 minutes is not needed (if at all). |
You were absolutely true !
5 minutes and now it's okay.
Thanks a lot again, Peter. 
About the Triotar... the focus ring is stiff. Do you know how to fix that ? 
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DSLR : Canon EOS 5D Mark II - EOS 40D
SLR : Canon EOS 500N - ZENITH EM - Fujica ST-701
M42 Lenses : Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 4/20 - Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.8/35 - Aus Jena Tessar 2.8/50 - Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 1Q 4/135 - Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar T 4/13,5 * Fujinon 1.8/55 * Hanimar 2.8/135 * Helios-40 1.5/85 - Helios 44M 2/58 * Industar-61 L/Z-MC 2.8/50 macro * Jupiter-9 2/85 - Jupiter-37A 3.5/135 - Jupiter-21M 4/200 * Meyer Optik Görlitz Trioplan 2.8/100 - Meyer Optik Görlitz Orestegor 4/200 * MIR-1B 2.8/37 * Pentacon 2.8/29 - Pentacon 1.8/50 - Pentacon 2.8/135 * Piesker Picon 2.8/135 * Prinzflex 2.8/135 - Prinzflex 3.5/200 * Soligor 2.8/35 - Soligor 2.8/135 - Soligor 3.5/200 - Soligor 4.5/250 - Soligor 6.3/400 * Steinheil München Quinar 2.8/135 * Tair-11A 2.8/135 - Tair-3 Grand Prix Brussels 1958 4.5/300 - Tair-3 4.5/300A * Super Takumar 1.8/55 * Tamron AD2 (03A) 3.8-4/80-210 - Tamron AD2 (01A) SP 2.8-3.8/35-80mm * Will. Wetzlar Vastar V 2.8/50 * Yashinon 4.5/70-230mm * Zenitar-M MC 2.8/16 Fisheye + Zenit Extension Tubes Set - extender TK-2M
Nikon Mount : Angenieux 2.5-3.3/35-70mm - Angenieux 3.5/70-210mm
P6 Mount : CZJ Flektogon 4/50 - CZJ 1Q Sonnar 2.8/180 - CZJ MC Sonnar 4/300 * Volna-3 2.8/80
PK Mount : MC Cosinon-W 2.8/28 * Tokina 2.8/35-70
EOS AF Lenses : Canon EF 1.8/50 II - EF 2.8/100 USM Macro - EFS 4-5.6/17-85 IS USM - EF 4/70-200 L IS USM * Sigma 4-5.6/70-300 DG Macro - Tamron 2.8/28-75 + Extender Kenko Pro 300 1.4x
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overmywaders
Joined: 27 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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I have the same stiff focus on my Triotar 135/4 and have read that most of the old Triotars have that problem. I am eager for the fix procedure as well.
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Olivier
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Does somebody know how to fix a stiff focus ring on the Triotar ? 
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DSLR : Canon EOS 5D Mark II - EOS 40D
SLR : Canon EOS 500N - ZENITH EM - Fujica ST-701
M42 Lenses : Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 4/20 - Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.8/35 - Aus Jena Tessar 2.8/50 - Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 1Q 4/135 - Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar T 4/13,5 * Fujinon 1.8/55 * Hanimar 2.8/135 * Helios-40 1.5/85 - Helios 44M 2/58 * Industar-61 L/Z-MC 2.8/50 macro * Jupiter-9 2/85 - Jupiter-37A 3.5/135 - Jupiter-21M 4/200 * Meyer Optik Görlitz Trioplan 2.8/100 - Meyer Optik Görlitz Orestegor 4/200 * MIR-1B 2.8/37 * Pentacon 2.8/29 - Pentacon 1.8/50 - Pentacon 2.8/135 * Piesker Picon 2.8/135 * Prinzflex 2.8/135 - Prinzflex 3.5/200 * Soligor 2.8/35 - Soligor 2.8/135 - Soligor 3.5/200 - Soligor 4.5/250 - Soligor 6.3/400 * Steinheil München Quinar 2.8/135 * Tair-11A 2.8/135 - Tair-3 Grand Prix Brussels 1958 4.5/300 - Tair-3 4.5/300A * Super Takumar 1.8/55 * Tamron AD2 (03A) 3.8-4/80-210 - Tamron AD2 (01A) SP 2.8-3.8/35-80mm * Will. Wetzlar Vastar V 2.8/50 * Yashinon 4.5/70-230mm * Zenitar-M MC 2.8/16 Fisheye + Zenit Extension Tubes Set - extender TK-2M
Nikon Mount : Angenieux 2.5-3.3/35-70mm - Angenieux 3.5/70-210mm
P6 Mount : CZJ Flektogon 4/50 - CZJ 1Q Sonnar 2.8/180 - CZJ MC Sonnar 4/300 * Volna-3 2.8/80
PK Mount : MC Cosinon-W 2.8/28 * Tokina 2.8/35-70
EOS AF Lenses : Canon EF 1.8/50 II - EF 2.8/100 USM Macro - EFS 4-5.6/17-85 IS USM - EF 4/70-200 L IS USM * Sigma 4-5.6/70-300 DG Macro - Tamron 2.8/28-75 + Extender Kenko Pro 300 1.4x
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madamasu
Joined: 03 Feb 2009
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Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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There are quite a few 85mm and 135mm Triotars on Germany Ebay. Some just starting at 1€, others with prices between 80 and 99€, but you can suggest another price:
http://foto.shop.ebay.de/i.html?_nkw=Zeiss+Triotar&_sacat=3323&_trksid=m270&_sop=1
Thomas
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Seele
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Location: Sydney Australia
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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My copy of Triotar 135/4 is a little later with scalloped focussing ring grip and focussing is also a little stiff, so I am looking forward to hearing from someone with first-hand experiences.
Olivier, there is a certain "quietness" (can't think of another word) in the Triotar images that I find appealing. I tend to get that from Meyer lenses as well, like the shorter Primotars: Primotar-E 50/3.5 for instance. |
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indianadinos
Joined: 06 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
| Spotmatic wrote: | | Oh yes, now I remember! Do you see the slotted tube in the back? Unscrew this and the whole optical block comes off at the front (only the focusing helicoid stays). Then you should be able to put the optical block back in the correct position. |
Many thanks for the hint ...
Cheers
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Takumar: 24/3.5, 28/3.5, 35/2, 35/3.5, 50/1.4, 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 105/2.8, 135/3.5, 150/4, 200/4
Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
Nikkor: Nikkor-O 35/2, Micro 55/3.5, Nikkor-Q 135/2.8
Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
Misc Lenses: Kiron 105/2.8 Macro, Tamron SP90/2.5
... and a few other Vivitar, Tamron, Sigma and Soligor lenses ...
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I use my repairmen for stiff Tritotars. Both repairmen hate them and both of them said, that Triotar is one of the worst lens for servicing
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mcdronkz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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It's good to read this topic. I've got a Triotar 135mm f/4 too. It's from 1954 if I recon correctly.
My focussing ring goes nice and smooth, but the aperture ring is stiff indeed. I want to repair it, but I don't have a clue how. That's why I signed up here in the first place!
It's a great lens nonetheless. Gotta love those silver tubes! I'm definitely going to collect these, just because these type of CJZ lenses are the nicest lenses ever made, aesthetically-wise.
no-X: Is the focussing ring on your Biotar 58/2 stiff? The aperture ring on mine almost feels kinda light and doesn't go 'smooth', but the focussing ring goes very heavy if you ask me. Much worse than the Triotar 135/4. Oh by the way: I have a 58/2 with 10 blades. |
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Olivier
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Seele wrote: | My copy of Triotar 135/4 is a little later with scalloped focussing ring grip and focussing is also a little stiff, so I am looking forward to hearing from someone with first-hand experiences.
Olivier, there is a certain "quietness" (can't think of another word) in the Triotar images that I find appealing. I tend to get that from Meyer lenses as well, like the shorter Primotars: Primotar-E 50/3.5 for instance. |
Seele, I understand what you mean.
A kind of quiet strength.
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DSLR : Canon EOS 5D Mark II - EOS 40D
SLR : Canon EOS 500N - ZENITH EM - Fujica ST-701
M42 Lenses : Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 4/20 - Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.8/35 - Aus Jena Tessar 2.8/50 - Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 1Q 4/135 - Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar T 4/13,5 * Fujinon 1.8/55 * Hanimar 2.8/135 * Helios-40 1.5/85 - Helios 44M 2/58 * Industar-61 L/Z-MC 2.8/50 macro * Jupiter-9 2/85 - Jupiter-37A 3.5/135 - Jupiter-21M 4/200 * Meyer Optik Görlitz Trioplan 2.8/100 - Meyer Optik Görlitz Orestegor 4/200 * MIR-1B 2.8/37 * Pentacon 2.8/29 - Pentacon 1.8/50 - Pentacon 2.8/135 * Piesker Picon 2.8/135 * Prinzflex 2.8/135 - Prinzflex 3.5/200 * Soligor 2.8/35 - Soligor 2.8/135 - Soligor 3.5/200 - Soligor 4.5/250 - Soligor 6.3/400 * Steinheil München Quinar 2.8/135 * Tair-11A 2.8/135 - Tair-3 Grand Prix Brussels 1958 4.5/300 - Tair-3 4.5/300A * Super Takumar 1.8/55 * Tamron AD2 (03A) 3.8-4/80-210 - Tamron AD2 (01A) SP 2.8-3.8/35-80mm * Will. Wetzlar Vastar V 2.8/50 * Yashinon 4.5/70-230mm * Zenitar-M MC 2.8/16 Fisheye + Zenit Extension Tubes Set - extender TK-2M
Nikon Mount : Angenieux 2.5-3.3/35-70mm - Angenieux 3.5/70-210mm
P6 Mount : CZJ Flektogon 4/50 - CZJ 1Q Sonnar 2.8/180 - CZJ MC Sonnar 4/300 * Volna-3 2.8/80
PK Mount : MC Cosinon-W 2.8/28 * Tokina 2.8/35-70
EOS AF Lenses : Canon EF 1.8/50 II - EF 2.8/100 USM Macro - EFS 4-5.6/17-85 IS USM - EF 4/70-200 L IS USM * Sigma 4-5.6/70-300 DG Macro - Tamron 2.8/28-75 + Extender Kenko Pro 300 1.4x
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no-X
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Almost all alu/chrome CZJ lenses are stiff these days if they weren't relubed. I have two Biotars (12-bladed T pre-set and 17-bladed T manual), both of them were stiff and both of them are fine now (both my repairmen are handy)
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francotirador
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Very good gallery, I like the image of the sonnar. Tomorrow I get mine, f3.5 MC red. I'm anxious.
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CZJ 180 2.8 P6 - Pentacon 135 2.8 preset - CZJ Sonnar 135 3.5 - Nikkor P 105 2.5(desing sonnar) - Biometar 80mm 2.8 P6 - Rokkor 58mm 1.2 - Pancolar 50mm 1.8 MC - Flektogon 35mm 2.4 MC - Sigma Super W II 24 2.8 K Mount - Tokina ATX Pro SV 28/70 2.8
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francotirador
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Spotmatic wrote: | | Olivier wrote: | | Spotmatic wrote: | | Oh yes, now I remember! Do you see the slotted tube in the back? Unscrew this and the whole optical block comes off at the front (only the focusing helicoid stays). Then you should be able to put the optical block back in the correct position. |
A big Thank you, Peter !
I'll see that when I'll feel cool to try to open it.
Cheers. |
Please do; it's quite simple and more than 5 minutes is not needed (if at all). |
I also thank you, surely the f3.5 is similar and sometimes I'll have to open.
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Canon 5D,
CZJ 180 2.8 P6 - Pentacon 135 2.8 preset - CZJ Sonnar 135 3.5 - Nikkor P 105 2.5(desing sonnar) - Biometar 80mm 2.8 P6 - Rokkor 58mm 1.2 - Pancolar 50mm 1.8 MC - Flektogon 35mm 2.4 MC - Sigma Super W II 24 2.8 K Mount - Tokina ATX Pro SV 28/70 2.8
& Matte Box & filters 4X4
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Olivier
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| francotirador wrote: | | Very good gallery, I like the image of the sonnar. Tomorrow I get mine, f3.5 MC red. I'm anxious. |
Thank you francotirador.
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DSLR : Canon EOS 5D Mark II - EOS 40D
SLR : Canon EOS 500N - ZENITH EM - Fujica ST-701
M42 Lenses : Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 4/20 - Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.8/35 - Aus Jena Tessar 2.8/50 - Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 1Q 4/135 - Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar T 4/13,5 * Fujinon 1.8/55 * Hanimar 2.8/135 * Helios-40 1.5/85 - Helios 44M 2/58 * Industar-61 L/Z-MC 2.8/50 macro * Jupiter-9 2/85 - Jupiter-37A 3.5/135 - Jupiter-21M 4/200 * Meyer Optik Görlitz Trioplan 2.8/100 - Meyer Optik Görlitz Orestegor 4/200 * MIR-1B 2.8/37 * Pentacon 2.8/29 - Pentacon 1.8/50 - Pentacon 2.8/135 * Piesker Picon 2.8/135 * Prinzflex 2.8/135 - Prinzflex 3.5/200 * Soligor 2.8/35 - Soligor 2.8/135 - Soligor 3.5/200 - Soligor 4.5/250 - Soligor 6.3/400 * Steinheil München Quinar 2.8/135 * Tair-11A 2.8/135 - Tair-3 Grand Prix Brussels 1958 4.5/300 - Tair-3 4.5/300A * Super Takumar 1.8/55 * Tamron AD2 (03A) 3.8-4/80-210 - Tamron AD2 (01A) SP 2.8-3.8/35-80mm * Will. Wetzlar Vastar V 2.8/50 * Yashinon 4.5/70-230mm * Zenitar-M MC 2.8/16 Fisheye + Zenit Extension Tubes Set - extender TK-2M
Nikon Mount : Angenieux 2.5-3.3/35-70mm - Angenieux 3.5/70-210mm
P6 Mount : CZJ Flektogon 4/50 - CZJ 1Q Sonnar 2.8/180 - CZJ MC Sonnar 4/300 * Volna-3 2.8/80
PK Mount : MC Cosinon-W 2.8/28 * Tokina 2.8/35-70
EOS AF Lenses : Canon EF 1.8/50 II - EF 2.8/100 USM Macro - EFS 4-5.6/17-85 IS USM - EF 4/70-200 L IS USM * Sigma 4-5.6/70-300 DG Macro - Tamron 2.8/28-75 + Extender Kenko Pro 300 1.4x
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