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 Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: CZJ Sonnar 4/135 and Triotar 4/135. I understand now ! |
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Olivier wrote:
I wondered why so many people here talked about CZJ in great words.
Now I know !
I was clearly amazed by the very first picture taken with the Sonnar and this is the first time I have this feeling with a MF lens. Normally, it takes me some shots before I obtain correct pics. Here, the first one was really good.
1- Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135. Serial Number 6307114, so Issue date between 1961-1964 following MF Lenses review.
This is a preset lens. I find strange to have the diaph figures on the under side of the lens. Very good quality.
I created a gallery for it. You can see it here
2/Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar 4/135. Serial Number 3124865, so Issue date between 1945-1949  .
The diaph ring is totally free. No preset.
It is complete with its front and rear caps, the rear one being an alu screw one.
A small gallery (going to grow) :
Here
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indianadinos wrote:
Classic  Zeiss quality ... The Triotar is simply stunning ... Should really try to put my hands on one of these ...
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Olivier
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Olivier wrote:
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| Classic Zeiss quality ... The Triotar is simply stunning ... Should really try to put my hands on one of these ... |
Yes and issue date is 1945-1949 !
I had the Sonnar for 60€ and the Triotar for 75€.
I wondered wether they were worth the money due to their age. I'm happy with them and surely find they're worth it.
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Rolf wrote:
Hallo Olivier,
welcome to the club. These are really nice lenses. Your Triotar is approx. 6-7 years older than mine. It was my first MF lens.
http://www.foto-bochum.net/Historical-Equipment/Lens-Carl-Zeiss-Jena-Triotar/7934642_q7gdE#514908981_Gjg9r
I like this type of lenses too and your pics shows respectable results.
Greetings to the channel !
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Olivier wrote:
| indianadinos wrote: |
| The Triotar is simply stunning ... Should really try to put my hands on one of these ... |
Here, there are some in exakta mount :
http://stores.shop.ebay.fr/fotoherbstcom_Exa-Exakta-Objektive-Zube_W0QQ_fsubZ10QQ_sidZ41059718QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322
Mine come from this seller (but M42).
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Olivier wrote:
Hallo Rolf und danke !
This was not a sunny day, but I find that good pictures are available under cloudy and rainy light.
Thank you for your link. I've learned what Q1 means. There is one on the Sonnar but none on the Triotar (but there is a red T).
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Rolf wrote:
Bitte Olivier !
I love the pic with the table and the chair. But the others too, specially the flowers with the raindrops.
Bonne nuit.
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Olivier
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Danke Rolf.
This was a very tiny rain wich made many little drops and I found them very preety. I also took some pics with AF lens (70-200 F4 L).
Gute Nacht.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: Re: CZJ Sonnar 4/135 and Triotar 4/135. I understand now ! |
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exaklaus wrote:
| Olivier wrote: |
| I find strange to have the diaph figures on the under side of the lens. Very good quality. |
That's not the way, it should be. Obviously some did a """repair"""
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Olivier wrote:
Klaus.
Would you know how to fix it ?
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exaklaus wrote:
Olivier, never opened this kind of lens. So I do not know.
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Spotmatic wrote:
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Klaus.
Would you know how to fix it ? |
I have opened my own Sonnar 135/4 to clean some hazy elements, but I forgot how I did it. It was easy though. I will have a look at my example tonight.
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Spotmatic wrote:
Oh yes, now I remember! Do you see the slotted tube in the back? Unscrew this and the whole optical block comes off at the front (only the focusing helicoid stays). Then you should be able to put the optical block back in the correct position.
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exaklaus wrote:
Glad you know how to fix that!
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Olivier
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Olivier wrote:
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| Oh yes, now I remember! Do you see the slotted tube in the back? Unscrew this and the whole optical block comes off at the front (only the focusing helicoid stays). Then you should be able to put the optical block back in the correct position. |
A big Thank you, Peter !
I'll see that when I'll feel cool to try to open it.
Cheers.
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Spotmatic wrote:
| Olivier wrote: |
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| Oh yes, now I remember! Do you see the slotted tube in the back? Unscrew this and the whole optical block comes off at the front (only the focusing helicoid stays). Then you should be able to put the optical block back in the correct position. |
A big Thank you, Peter !
I'll see that when I'll feel cool to try to open it.
Cheers. |
Please do; it's quite simple and more than 5 minutes is not needed (if at all).
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indianadinos wrote:
Merci Olivier,
Unluckily, i'm looking for an M42 one, too ...
Nevertheless, i have at least one shop in Toulouse and two other streetmarket sellers to check ...
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Olivier wrote:
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Please do; it's quite simple and more than 5 minutes is not needed (if at all). |
You were absolutely true !
5 minutes and now it's okay.
Thanks a lot again, Peter. 
About the Triotar... the focus ring is stiff. Do you know how to fix that ? 
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overmywaders wrote:
I have the same stiff focus on my Triotar 135/4 and have read that most of the old Triotars have that problem. I am eager for the fix procedure as well.
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Olivier wrote:
Does somebody know how to fix a stiff focus ring on the Triotar ? 
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madamasu wrote:
There are quite a few 85mm and 135mm Triotars on Germany Ebay. Some just starting at 1€, others with prices between 80 and 99€, but you can suggest another price:
http://foto.shop.ebay.de/i.html?_nkw=Zeiss+Triotar&_sacat=3323&_trksid=m270&_sop=1
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Seele wrote:
My copy of Triotar 135/4 is a little later with scalloped focussing ring grip and focussing is also a little stiff, so I am looking forward to hearing from someone with first-hand experiences.
Olivier, there is a certain "quietness" (can't think of another word) in the Triotar images that I find appealing. I tend to get that from Meyer lenses as well, like the shorter Primotars: Primotar-E 50/3.5 for instance. |
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indianadinos wrote:
Hi,
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| Oh yes, now I remember! Do you see the slotted tube in the back? Unscrew this and the whole optical block comes off at the front (only the focusing helicoid stays). Then you should be able to put the optical block back in the correct position. |
Many thanks for the hint ...
Cheers
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Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
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Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
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no-X wrote:
I use my repairmen for stiff Tritotars. Both repairmen hate them and both of them said, that Triotar is one of the worst lens for servicing
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mcdronkz wrote:
It's good to read this topic. I've got a Triotar 135mm f/4 too. It's from 1954 if I recon correctly.
My focussing ring goes nice and smooth, but the aperture ring is stiff indeed. I want to repair it, but I don't have a clue how. That's why I signed up here in the first place!
It's a great lens nonetheless. Gotta love those silver tubes! I'm definitely going to collect these, just because these type of CJZ lenses are the nicest lenses ever made, aesthetically-wise.
no-X: Is the focussing ring on your Biotar 58/2 stiff? The aperture ring on mine almost feels kinda light and doesn't go 'smooth', but the focussing ring goes very heavy if you ask me. Much worse than the Triotar 135/4. Oh by the way: I have a 58/2 with 10 blades. |
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