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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: El lenso grrande: 500/6.3 3M-6A on Canon 400D |
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rick_oleson wrote:
I just snagged this lens on eBay for $57. I had doubts that it would fit on my 400D but figured that I could risk that much to find out. The lens was advertised as "Pentax Mount", which I assumed would mean M42, but it arrived with a K mount bayonet on it... what mounts did they make these in? I have a K mount adapter, so I tried it ... the lens hit the prism overhang about 3mm before reaching the bayonet flange of the camera. I thought I might use it with a teleconverter, but I don't have one in K mount... my best one is in OM mount.
The mount looked a lot like the outer half of a T mount, so I pulled out the 3 set screws and pried it off, then disassembled an OM T mount and discovered that its outer half would slip onto the ring at the back of the lens ... a perfect fit, except that it was shallow and so would not go on as far as the K mount had been. But it was far enough on for the set screws to grab, so I went ahead - I can improve on it later.
Cool thing though is that now the lens WILL mount on the 400D, since the OM mount sticks out a bit too far to the rear of the lens; it clears the prism by about a millimeter and a half. But where will it focus to?
Well, it turns out that it seems to focus to infinity, maybe even a little past. I don't know if it's supposed to do this or if someone has tinkered with it, but the focus ring goes WAY past infinity on this lens, far enough to make up for the extra length I've added in to make it fit the camera.
Probably not according to Hoyle, but I seldom do things that way anyway... I'm looking forward to getting out and playing with this excellent, compact walking-around street lens......
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is a superb lens! I have it too, very sharp even if you shoot to infinity distance. Value is lot more than 57 USD only, congrats to catch this rare bird! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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casualcollector
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 748 Location: Spaced out on Florida's Space Coast
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
Way cool, Rick. Is this a Russian lens? _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
casualcollector wrote: |
Way cool, Rick. Is this a Russian lens? |
Yes,MTO lens. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
A beauty monster!!!
Congratulations!! (and the pics??)
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
I'll admit I'm cheap (or poor, if you want to look at it that way) and I've never used a good mirror lens before, only a few of the cheap brands. But honestly, I didn't really think you could get shots like this with a mirror. The sharpness (vastly better than the cheapies I'm used to, of course) was not really a surprise, but the high contrast is. I had thought that at least a fair part of the low contrast I'm used to in mirror lenses was due to the necessary gap in the baffling between the two mirrors. These are both handheld, I boosted the ISO up to 1600 for the lily shot to get a faster shutter speed. Sharpness in the bike picture is degraded by heat waves; and the little speck in the background at the upper right in the lily shot appears to be a gnat.
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
Oh, and the split image prism in the focusing screen works fine, focus is spot on. _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Excellent samples! Thank you for sharing them! I didn't see any better 500mm lens below 1000 USD. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
of the three cheap mirror lenses that I've had, I think I paid more for at least two of them than I did for this, and I also paid more for my respectable (but definitely cheap) 400/6.3 glass Spiratone lens... I'm very pleased with the purchase.
I'm still puzzled by the Pentax K mount that it came with, though. Do you know what mounts this lens was made in? If it was modified, it must have been a lucky chance like my OM mount, it doesn't look like anyone has done any machining on the lens barrel.
Oh, and also: the focus ring goes a long way beyond the engraved markings in both directions, something which of course does not bother me in the least ... but is this normal for this lens, or has someone tinkered with that as well as possibly the mount? _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I think not normal either focus ring and PK mount. I saw only two copies from this lens both have M42 mount. Orio have it too, Orio please check your focus ring. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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M. Valdemar
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 93
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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M. Valdemar wrote:
It's got a t-mount. You can take off the Pentax K mount and put on any mount you want.
I've got a few of them. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
M. Valdemar wrote: |
It's got a t-mount. You can take off the Pentax K mount and put on any mount you want.
I've got a few of them. |
Thanks! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
You mean the part that's still stuck on the back end of the lens should unscrew off of it on a normal T thread? Mine must be seized together then, it won't budge. It does make sense though, it looks just like a T mount adapter and I managed to interchange the outer half of it with one of my T mounts. _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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M. Valdemar
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 93
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: |
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M. Valdemar wrote:
Every one I have ever seen has just been a normal t-mount lens. Do you have a photo of the back of your lens so I can see what you're talking about?
rick_oleson wrote: |
You mean the part that's still stuck on the back end of the lens should unscrew off of it on a normal T thread? Mine must be seized together then, it won't budge. It does make sense though, it looks just like a T mount adapter and I managed to interchange the outer half of it with one of my T mounts. |
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
Yeah, I can do that (not at the moment) ... it looks like it's a T mount, but the mount will not unscrew off of the lens. I changed mounts by removing the set screws from the mount and interchanging the outer part with another T mount that I had.
The most likely explanation is that the 42mm threads of the T mount are frozen onto the lens and I just can't unscrew it. I don't have any urgent interest in solving that problem, since if I get it all back to the way it should be it won't mount on my camera any more. Some day I may get some Liquid Wrench in there and take the mount off, but for my purposes it's just about perfect the way it is. I really only asked the question out of curiosity, I had not known these were T mounts and assumed it would come in a mount to fit a Russian camera. _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
wow! this is a big thing
great results! nice bokeh on #2 |
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