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Orio
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 Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: SMC Takumar 1.4/50 on 5DMarkII |
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Orio wrote:
Just a small late afternoon tour nothing special:
three 100% crops from pic 1,2 3 respectively:
Nice, I guess... but I don't know if this is the lens for me. I find it lacking something compared to the Icarex Tessar just to name one - or maybe it was just the dull daylight? Or maybe me being spoiled...?
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Mal1905
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Mal1905 wrote:
I really like the 2nd shot - the panoramic crop works very well.
Do you not get mirror-slap when infinity-focusing on the 5D MkII? I'm currently saving for one, and if this is the case, that's great news indeed. I haven't shaved the mirror on the MkI and there are a number of lenses I haven't been able to use because of this.
Like you, I'm never certain about this lens - I've had a few of them but none that I'd call a 'wow' lens. There are others in the mix that I use more often with great results - but rarely feel compelled anymore to take out the Tak.
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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Do you not get mirror-slap when infinity-focusing on the 5D MkII? I'm currently saving for one, and if this is the case, that's great news indeed. I haven't shaved the mirror on the MkI and there are a number of lenses I haven't been able to use because of this. |
The trick is to set lens to close focus, then activate Liveview, refocus to long distance and compose and shoot, then before switching off Liveview setting the lens back to close focus.
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| Like you, I'm never certain about this lens - I've had a few of them but none that I'd call a 'wow' lens. There are others in the mix that I use more often with great results - but rarely feel compelled anymore to take out the Tak. |
Yes, same for me. I like the way it works wide open for close focus portrait shots. That is the reason why I have not sold it yet. But when I try it to shoot at long distance, it never fully convinces me.
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patrickh wrote:
Orio
You have made the Tak look as good as it can for landscapes - and that is pretty good.
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| Nice, I guess... but I don't know if this is the lens for me. I find it lacking something compared to the Icarex Tessar just to name one - or maybe it was just the dull daylight? Or maybe me being spoiled...? |
I think maybe all in this sentence is true 
I prefer your Distagon 1.4/35 for this type of shoot.
The Taks are great for Portraits. They have that smooth tonal transition that I find so pleasing for skin.
The same quality that makes landscapes look flat as these shots show.
Although the light certainly had something to do with it also.
Lovely landscapes none the less. 
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poilu
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| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
beautiful peaceful landscape, far from big city
I have seen many great samples from the tak, maybe the light was not the best |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
AF chip not report aperture value I guess so no reason to confuse light metering.
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Orio
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Maybe it's because of the daylight, maybe not completely.
Here's another photo taken in the same time, with a Sonnar 2.8/85:
whole:
100% crop:
The image is of similar quality, overall, but I prefer the way the greens are rendered in the Sonnar image. They have more variety.
See the olives for instance. Here they look like olives (gray-silver green), in the Tak picture, they could also be something else.
The WB is set to identical value for all images.
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Mal1905
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
Something about the Sonnar image jumps out at me moreso than the Takumar ones did - really stunning location though, and they're all beautifully composed images.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
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| Here's another photo taken in the same time, with a Sonnar 2.8/85 |
it is not fairplay to compare the tak with a zeiss  |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
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| Something about the Sonnar image jumps out at me moreso than the Takumar ones did |
+1 for the Sonnar. Somehow it renders the scenery much more convincingly.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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| Here's another photo taken in the same time, with a Sonnar 2.8/85 |
it is not fairplay to compare the tak with a zeiss |
I don't own enough Taks to speak (only two, this 50mm and the 135mm) to compare with the Contax, but for what I have, I think the overall quality is similar. My Tak has a coating that works very well, like the Contax coating. Sharpness is there in my Taks also.
It's the same situation as with the Nikkors, the image quality is similar, but the images that are output look different somehow. Not a lot different. Slightly different.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| aoleg wrote: |
| Mal1905 wrote: |
| Something about the Sonnar image jumps out at me moreso than the Takumar ones did |
+1 for the Sonnar. Somehow it renders the scenery much more convincingly. |
I think that the whole image of the Tak is very pleasing in a different way. It's sweeter than the Sonnar's. Makes a whole impression that is probably better. Sonnar's image is harder. But it has more depth. It's a different taste. Different philosophies. I think only printing out the two images will make a real comparison possible.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Who cares for the specific good and bad of the lens, in Orio's hands I think anything will produce a beautiful photo |
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Mal1905
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
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| Who cares for the specific good and bad of the lens, in Orio's hands I think anything will produce a beautiful photo |
Well I reckon we can ALL agree with that comment
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| Who cares for the specific good and bad of the lens, in Orio's hands I think anything will produce a beautiful photo |
Agree. It's the sharpest one of my nine 50mm lenses. As Patrick said, Orio makes this SMC Tak so great in landscape perfermance.
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