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fernanrl
Joined: 09 Aug 2008 Posts: 99 Location: Valle del Kas - Madrid - Spain
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: Which medium format...for a beginner? |
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fernanrl wrote:
Hi,
I have been thinking for a while about the medium format cameras. Which one would you recommend to start with and how much would I have to spend? (I don't mind if it is cheap and nasty as long as it is in perfect working condition) What would you buy? I must say that I am not looking at buying one straight way (I am committed to buying some items right now from another member of this forum...so nothing for a while to be honest)
It is that I want to know what I am looking at, I find info and, by the time I finally decide, I have saved (hopefully) enough money to make myself with one.
As always, thanks,
Fer _________________ My blog: http://www.fernando.org.es/
...what if I woke up one day and I knew how to take photos... How wonderful!!! |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
http://forum.mflenses.com/some-med-format-advice-t11626.html
Take a look on this thread... _________________ -------------------------------
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fernanrl
Joined: 09 Aug 2008 Posts: 99 Location: Valle del Kas - Madrid - Spain
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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fernanrl wrote:
My God Attila...that was quick
I will have a look and get back with questions...if any
Thanks,
Fer
Attila wrote: |
http://forum.mflenses.com/some-med-format-advice-t11626.html
Take a look on this thread... |
_________________ My blog: http://www.fernando.org.es/
...what if I woke up one day and I knew how to take photos... How wonderful!!! |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
TLR is best for first Medium format
Look for amazing landscapes from Larry and street shoots from Iha.
You can have a nice one for EUR 100 or take a chance for even less. _________________ Moderator |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
About the only bits I can add to the other discussion is a history of how I got into MF, and perhaps what I'd do diffrently or next.
I started with a beat up Franka 4.5x6 folder with a foggy lens my daughter found in the house. How it got there I don't know! Anyway, after a couple of years I figured I'd check the shutter... it worked. Everything else but the lens seemed operational, so we tried some film.
I was hooked.
Next I bought a large-ish Bessa I 6x9 with a 4.5x6 insert, Vaskar lens. Pretty good, but not quite what I had in mind. (I've since learned to collimate the lens so the results should be better...)
I lucked into a pre-war Bessa 66 with a Skopar - this is very nice indeed for vintage. One of my favorite cameras, given its limitations.
I wanted some focus ability. (There are vintage coupled rf folders, but many I found difficult to peer through)
So I went TLR. First a Diacord - excellent lens, well made camera. Then, a Yashica Mat 124G fully reconditioned. Good lens too, and a meter. My daughter loves these! They are light and solid cameras. And good images in modern (not just vintage) terms.
So what am I missing? These all have fixed lenses... it would be nice to be able to change a lens. The TLRs are excellent but boxy, the folders fit into pockets but take a bit of thought with focus etc.
Most of the MF SLRs I've seen / felt are large and heavy. Yeah, I could get used to one, but so far I'm a bit intimidated.
But there are some range finder MF's out there - some with interchangeable lenses. Fuji made some very nice ones, fixed lens ones. I'm coveting one of these. Mamiya made/makes some very nice interchangeable lens ones, a bit more money, but very tempting to me.
Finally, there's the new Cosina/Voigtlander/Fuji folder coming out. Serious lust for that. _________________ -Jussi
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
I agree with Andy's recommendation for TSLR as getting into MF arena.
You can get Yashica Mat 124G or Minolta Autocord (III), Rollei-flexes are
good/better but more expensive these days. _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
I had only one experience with TLR, Rolleiflex Planar 3,5 for 3 or 4 years.
It's so heavy for my, I need always a tripod. If I could handheld, no more SLR to me.
I never try the voigtlander folder or agfa ones. It's seems to me that is difficult to the lens to be parallel to the focal plane. Perhaps I'm wrong.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Yashica MAT is lightweight Rhino, no problem to use handheld. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Yashica MAT is lightweight Rhino, no problem to use handheld. |
I never use it, I will try. I hear that the yashinon is very good at F/8, 11 and 16. (better at F/11?).
Regards, RINO. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/filmcamera/yashica_mat_124g/ _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57849 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/filmcamera/yashica_mat_124g/ _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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