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Spotmatic
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 Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Pancolar 50/1.8 for EUR 30, do or don't? |
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Spotmatic wrote:
I can get a Pancolar 50/1.8 in Zebra finish for EUR 30 excluding shipping. It's the shape is hard to determine, but the lenses are in perfect condition according to the seller. What do you think, should I buy it or not? Would the MC version be better?
Any help appreciated.
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My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
MC is not better, perhaps different I love both. 30 EUR is a fair price especially for this condition. Don't hesitate take it.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/zeiss/pancolar_001/
You can found samples here with almost every variant of Pancolar.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Another pancolar lover. 
Rino.
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F16SUNSHINE
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Come on spotty.
You just hauled in $2k for the big cine lens.
Try them both and decide yourself 
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
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Come on spotty.
You just hauled in $2k for the big cine lens.
Try them both and decide yourself |
Thanks everyone. And F16, just because I earned $2K does not mean that I want to be ripped off with a worthless piece of junk, or need each lens in all possible versions. There's just so much time in my life that I wanted to learn from your experiences first before jumping into another bottomless pit
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Carl Zeiss (Jena) never made any junk, they are one of the most trust able manufacturer so go ahead on any lens what they made.
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F16SUNSHINE
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Just levity my friend
I have no experience with either pancolar. So all I have to offer is a bit of ribbing
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Carl Zeiss (Jena) never made any junk, they are one of the most trust able manufacturer so go ahead on any lens what they made. |
Point taken... From now on I will never walk past a CZJ lens before buying it first
BTW Attila, the Kiron 105/2.8 is still available if you are still interested in the swap; if not it goes on eBay with a starting bid of $1 next sunday
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
| F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
Just levity my friend
I have no experience with either pancolar. So all I have to offer is a bit of ribbing |
I know
Judging from your sig you're quite experienced with MF stuff. Phew, wish I had your setup  I just recently got into MF, but I have quite an extensive collection of Pentax AF stuff, mostly primes because I love primes and often use them in MF mode.
My stuff:
- Pentax K20D + D-BG2
- Pentax K10D
- Sigma 10-20
- DA 18-55
- DA 16-45
- Tamron 28-75/2.8 XR Di LD IF
- F 28/2.8
- F 50/1.4
- F 50/1.7
- F 50/2.8 macro
- F 100/2.8 macro
- F 135/2.8 [IF]
- F* 300/4.5 ED [IF]
- Sigma 500mm f/4.5 APO EX
Not to forget my most beloved lens, the SMC Pentax-FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited. Old quality in a new jacket!
I should not forget the Pentax M and A series lenses I also have, but then the list would be too long
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| Attila wrote: |
| Carl Zeiss (Jena) never made any junk, they are one of the most trust able manufacturer so go ahead on any lens what they made. |
Point taken... From now on I will never walk past a CZJ lens before buying it first
BTW Attila, the Kiron 105/2.8 is still available if you are still interested in the swap; if not it goes on eBay with a starting bid of $1 next sunday |
Still busy to do anything with my lenses, I just comment here as a rest in my programming to do. Swap is good deal..
Never left any CZJ lens on left on shelf ... Yes..
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| Attila wrote: |
| Carl Zeiss (Jena) never made any junk, they are one of the most trust able manufacturer so go ahead on any lens what they made. |
Point taken... From now on I will never walk past a CZJ lens before buying it first
BTW Attila, the Kiron 105/2.8 is still available if you are still interested in the swap; if not it goes on eBay with a starting bid of $1 next sunday |
Still busy to do anything with my lenses, I just comment here as a rest in my programming to do. Swap is good deal..
Never left any CZJ lens on left on shelf ... Yes.. |
Then let's just go on with the deal, I'll keep the lens here until you have time (just drop me a PM by then). And I know what you mean, being an IT guy myself
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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poilu
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poilu wrote:
| sunshine wrote: |
Come on spotty.
You just hauled in $2k for the big cine lens.
Try them both and decide yourself |
Come on spotty!
you should go for the new Zeiss ZK
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
BTW, nothing wrong with AF lenses if used manually. In fact, all of my macro work is 100% manual, even the ring flash is used manually. The results are stunning, as you can see here (shot with SMC Pentax-F 100mm f/2.8 macro):
But for shooting birds, AF is just an asset you'll miss if you don't have it. Otherwise, there would be too many OOF or missed shots. Here's a few with the Sigma 500/4.5 APO EX (rare in Pentax AF mount):
Sometimes, it's also nice to be able to do "macro" with a 500mm lens:
All offtopic of course but I wanted to show you what results I got with my equipment.
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
| poilu wrote: |
| sunshine wrote: |
Come on spotty.
You just hauled in $2k for the big cine lens.
Try them both and decide yourself |
Come on spotty!
you should go for the new Zeiss ZK |
I'd rather have 20 $100 lenses than just one of $2000, thank you
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Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| Attila wrote: |
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| Attila wrote: |
| Carl Zeiss (Jena) never made any junk, they are one of the most trust able manufacturer so go ahead on any lens what they made. |
Point taken... From now on I will never walk past a CZJ lens before buying it first
BTW Attila, the Kiron 105/2.8 is still available if you are still interested in the swap; if not it goes on eBay with a starting bid of $1 next sunday |
Still busy to do anything with my lenses, I just comment here as a rest in my programming to do. Swap is good deal..
Never left any CZJ lens on left on shelf ... Yes.. |
Then let's just go on with the deal, I'll keep the lens here until you have time (just drop me a PM by then). And I know what you mean, being an IT guy myself |
Many thanks! Stunning result!!!
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patrickh
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patrickh wrote:
Spotty
Your pics are one of the reasons I finally decided to try Takumars. I now have the 135/3.5 and the 35/3.5 and love both of the tiny little things.
patrickh
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M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
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RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Throndor
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| BTW, nothing wrong with AF lenses if used manually. In fact, all of my macro work is 100% manual, even the ring flash is used manually |
Whats the ring flash you are using on your pentax?
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
| Throndor wrote: |
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| BTW, nothing wrong with AF lenses if used manually. In fact, all of my macro work is 100% manual, even the ring flash is used manually |
Whats the ring flash you are using on your pentax? |
I used a Starblitz 1000 auto macro-lite from Gadgetinfinity in Hong Kong (http://www.gadgetinfinity.com/product.php?productid=16705). But I found a Pentax AF-140c ring flash which I modified because it's just too powerful in M mode (I put a piece of white paper in front of the reflector to decrease the output). The advantage of the Pentax ring flash is that although it is TTL only (both my K10D and K20D are P-TTL), you still have the flash-ready light in the viewfinder and the built-in modeling light is handy!
But Pentax has just announced a new P-TTL ring flash, this should be available by Christmas (MSRP of EUR 399)::
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Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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