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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Jupiter-9_85mm f/2 M39 chrome finish from 1965 Reply with quote
Today I have a chance this lens to test in real action to make portraits. I love this lens this lens would be permanent member of my collection.




PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey Attila, judging from the photos, and especially from the portrait of your daughter, I would say that this older J-9 has less contrast and a less harsh image than the more recent lens.
Is it only my impression, or is it true?
Have you tried highlight bokeh with it?


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Hey Attila, judging from the photos, and especially from the portrait of your daughter, I would say that this older J-9 has less contrast and a less harsh image than the more recent lens.
Is it only my impression, or is it true?


You are describing my thoughts after a first glimpse at the pictures. Nice for portraits as we see here - but I'm not sure about the boats. Smile

Michael


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Look other shoots in Gallery

You have right about contrast shows less, but today I made here in same place with Nikkor-H 85mm f/1.8 lens shoots those are also shows less contrast. Perhaps cloudy wheather ?

This is taken by Nikkor-H 85mm f/1.8 first one is untouched second one with corrected contrast.




PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Perhaps portraits a bit overexposed , this is the reason why shows less contrast. What you think ?


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think that the Nikkor 1.8/85 is the best portrait lens in the world! Very Happy
But you already knew my opinion on it Wink

Out of jokes: yes probably the dull weather has to do with it, yet, I have made shots with my modern J-9 in dull weather also, and they were not so smooth.

I am wondering because I really do NOT like the high contrast and harsh bokeh of the modern J-9.
You know, I have shown you the horrible bokeh I am getting from my J-9

If the older J-9 proves to be milder in contrast, I will buy one and sell the modern J-9. Besides, I like the silver alu lenses much more also aesthetically.


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
I like the silver alu lenses much more also aesthetically.


Me too Smile


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Have you noticed how much nicer is the skin tone rendered by the Nikkor compared with the Jupiter-9?


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I not see much difference, sorry. Second Nikkor picture is corrected in Photoshop I see difference only if I compare with corrected shoot.


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
I not see much difference, sorry. Second Nikkor picture is corrected in Photoshop I see difference only if I compare with corrected shoot.


Nikkor uncorrected looks notably warmer than the Jupiter to me.

Or am I having hallucinations? Shocked

On any other subject, warmer tone, I would find it a minus. On a portrait and especially on a dull day, it's a definite plus.


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I made double check again, still not see Laughing


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Perhaps portraits a bit overexposed , this is the reason why shows less contrast. What you think ?


I don't think so. Your portraits are not overexposed. If you look at fashion magazines, about 30% of the portraits you see there, you would judge them overexposed.

The fact is that "overexposed" is a very subjective matter when it comes to portraits. First, the skin is king, so you really want to balance the exposure on the skin, you don't mind about the background, much better an overexposed background or picture in general, but good skin with no heavy shadows, than a more correct picture overall with heavy shadows on the skin.

For isntance, I find your correction to the Nikkor portrait, overcorrected. It would be perfect for a different subject, but on the portrait, the "proper exposure" creates heavy shadows on the face.


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You really find these:



to look the same ???


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio, of course they look the same! No they don't! Laughing

Attila, pretty Jupiter 9 and I would've been very happy with the images
you shot with it if I hadn't seen the Nikon 85/1.8 pics! You have one of
the best portrait lenses with the Nikon, there's very few that are
considered better, and then only marginally so. The second set where
you hit the contrast button of the daughter is killer! Wink

Also like the boats shot in the first set! Smile

Bill

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not same yes , and you have right second picture is over corrected.


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Not same yes , and you have right second picture is over corrected.


No, actually 2nd pic, 2nd set, I rather like the color saturation and
warm tones, just great, looks like film!


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm missing something here ?


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rob Leslie wrote:
I'm missing something here ?


Rather cryptic, there, Rob, is there something you left here that you
want us to help you find? You need to be more forthcoming than this. Laughing

Bill


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, I like the second set better, both of them. We're making subjective
comments on pics where we probably have a wide disparity in monitors,
as to brightness, calibration, etc.

Bill


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, right Bill.


PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Rob Leslie wrote:
I'm missing something here ?


Rather cryptic, there, Rob, is there something you left here that you
want us to help you find? You need to be more forthcoming than this. Laughing

Bill


I don't see any real 'Qualities' in the lens? It isn't really soft as I can see some hair detail, but I can't see any signs of it being that sharp (example the boats) As for the low contrast that may be judged a quality with film but with digital? We have full control of contrast and tones. The photos are too low a contrast for my taste but must admit the good lighting recovers the situation a little. No sorry I just don't see it as anything special at all.
I have never been a Jupiter fan. I have tried them on film as far back as the late seventies and on digital Maybe just me.


PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I looked at the gallery and I liked what I see, Attila.
it seems like the old version of this lens is a desireable item.
Do you still have the modern version also, or have you sold it?
It would be interesting to see a side-to-side comparison of the two.
Especially for your website, I think it would make a very interesting page!


PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ok I have MC version too I will make a comparation ,good idea thanks! Hopefully I will able to do in nice weather condition.
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