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dnas
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
An older Tokina AT-X 100-300mm F4.
I'm not sure it would fit into your budget though. |
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Toeteraar
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Toeteraar wrote:
Tamron CT 5.6/300 can be found at nice prices. Less legendary than the Tamrons mentioned above but a nice compact 300mm that gives good images.
Tair 3PhS(in this case with a small extension ring). Freaking sharp but less compact than the Tamron CT
Meyer Orestegor 4/300. A ton of glass and heavy metal, but all about quality.
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
Attila wrote: |
battleaxe wrote: |
Well the Tair seems to be out of my budget too as the cheapest I found on ebay was $145.
Out of curiosity, any suggestion on maybe a zoom in the 300mm range at F4.5 or so? |
Tamron SP 60-300mm is pretty good, look also Pentacon 300mm , Meyer 300mm they are F4 lenses may you get one cheap. |
How is the quality of the Meyer? As for the tamron I take it would be easy to focus with, or would it be like the 70-210mm non SP lens I tried out? Thanks
Edit the Meyer looks pretty good IQ wise(just saw the pics posted on the second page), but that also seem to be a hard to locate lens. The Tamron SP is within my budget, but the f5.4 at the long end is a bit of a turn off, and to me at least the focusing(as aforementioned) is a bit questionable. But, I do like the shots I have seen from that camera. I could not find anything on the Tamron CT on ebay or KEH, and the Pentacon 300mm is also out of my budget range. :-\
Would I be better off getting a 200mm f3.5 lens and just adding a TC to it as that seems to be a bit more common focal range within my budget, or would the TC degrade the quality a bit to much? |
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Great pictures I love them!
NO TC to me, most of them degrade IQ for sure. _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:02 am Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
It looks like so far most of the suggestions here are either hard to find or out of budget(unless I could locate one in not the best shape). Any other suggestions? |
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fermy
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
IMHO Tair-3 Photosnaiper is a no-brainer for your purpose as it's usable handheld, great glass, not very expensive. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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Aanything
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
fermy wrote: |
IMHO Tair-3 Photosnaiper is a no-brainer for your purpose as it's usable handheld, great glass, not very expensive. |
+1
And, with a bit of patience, you will be able to find one for less than you think.
Really, no better options for f4.5 on a budget, IMHO _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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kansalliskala
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:01 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
battleaxe wrote: |
It looks like so far most of the suggestions here are either hard to find or out of budget(unless I could locate one in not the best shape). Any other suggestions? |
5.5 too slow for you?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=300+5.5+lens&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=300+5.5+lens+m42&_sacat=0
BTW if you plan reading this forum later on you'll find it common practice here that people suggest lenses that "I got for $100" (but that was 4 years ago ) _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
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Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
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NewStuff
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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NewStuff wrote:
battleaxe wrote: |
How is the quality of the Meyer?
Edit the Meyer looks pretty good IQ wise(just saw the pics posted on the second page), but that also seem to be a hard to locate lens. |
The Meyer and Pentacon 300/4 are pretty much the same. If You can, try it before You buy it, the weight does not suit some people, and others are fine with it.
The following as shot on a Pentacon version, handheld, with a screaming 3 yr old beside me. The limit with this lens is Your ability to hold it.
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martyn_bannister
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:06 am Post subject: |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
+1 Tair-3 - PHs PHOTOSNIPER version will be less expensive.
Hoya 100-300mm zoom anyone? |
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
I guess I will keep an eye on the Tair-3, but that may seem to be hard to find one within my budget. The Penetcon/Meyer also looks to be another one to keep an eye out for.
Is the Hoya any good, it looks interesting and I am warming up again to the idea of a zoom lens? What about the Olympus 50-250mm or 85-250mm?
Thank you. |
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hifisapi
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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hifisapi wrote:
dnas wrote: |
An older Tokina AT-X 100-300mm F4.
I'm not sure it would fit into your budget though. |
I have one of those and its exceptionally good but they go for $250+ _________________ ===========
ACQUIRED OVER 30 YEARS:
Cameras: DSLR=Pentax istDS FILM=Pentax SP, SP-F, ESII, SP1000, KX, K2
Lenses : Pentax M42 = Super Multi Coated Takumars 50/1.4 55/1.8 100/4-BELLOWS 500/4.5 1000/8 135-600/6.7 Pentax PK= SMC Pentax-Ks K17/4-FF Fisheye K18/3.5 K20/4 K24/3.5 K28/3.5 K28/2 K35/3.5 K35/2 K50/1.2 K50/1.4K 50/4-MACROK 55/1.8 K85/1.8 K100/4-MACRO K100/4-BELLOWS K105/2.8 K120/2.8 K135/3.5 K135/2.5 K150/4 K200/4 K400/5.6 K45-125/4K 85-210/4.5 Pentax PKM = SMC Pentax-M M40/2.8-Pancake M50/1.4 M75-150/4 M80-200/4.5 Pentax PKA= SMC Pentax-A A15/3.5 A50/2.8-MACRO A28/2 A35/2 A50/1.4 A135/2.8 A200/4 A*300/4 A35-105/3.5 A24-50/4 A70-210/4 TAMRON AD2= SP80-200/2.8 SP180/2.5 TOKINA AT-X PK= ATX28-85/3.5-4.5 ATX35-70/2.8 ATX60-120/2.8 ATX80-200/2.8 ATX100-300/4 ATX90/2.5 MACRO KIRON-LESTER DINE PK = 105/2.8-MACRO VIVITAR PK = 135/2.8-MACRO 28-85/4 NOFLEXAR AUTOBELLOWS PK = 60/4 105/4 |
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Lenny On Ice
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Lenny On Ice wrote:
battleaxe wrote: |
Is the Hoya any good, it looks interesting and I am warming up again to the idea of a zoom lens? What about the Olympus 50-250mm or 85-250mm?
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Now you are down to 250, which seems cheaper, but Olympus is in general expensive. |
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
I take you mean 250 as in MM, right? How is the general quality of those 250mm Olympus lenses? I could be perfectly fine with the 250mm range, but I found 300mm to be more common I decided to ask about that.
Edit: nvm just took a look at some of the pics taken with the Hoya, and it lacks a bit of sharpness. Not really for me.
Really the more I think about the more I think I would like a zoom, as it would allow me to more easily frame the bird more easily in the shot. Thanks. |
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memento
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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memento wrote:
My experience is that especially on MFT cameras, most old zooms are worse optically than prime lenses. And even a lot of prime lenses have quality issues when used on MFT cameras, e.g. if they don't have apochromatic glass. So I wonder if there is a solution for you to find a zoom lens that a) reaches 250+ mm, b) is as sharp as you'd like it to be, c) is available for below 100 quid. Thomas |
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:23 am Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
Well I really enjoyed the Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm, as it was sharp and easy to focus with good contrast. I thought it wouldn't too hard to find something like that lens, but in the 250mm+ range. I don't think they make a Series 1 in the 300mm range do they(and not one of the newer ones that isn't suppose to be as good)?
Right now I am watching a Tamron 300mm f5.6 on eBay, but I can't tell if it's a CT variant or not. Not to mention I tested out a non SP Tamron 70-210mm F4 and I didn't like how it focused and contrast wasn't what I was use to. The image here from the CT looks really nice, with good contrast, but not sure if I will like the focusing.
I have seen the word luxurious being thrown around in the 4/3 and m4/3 forums for the Oly zooms in the 250mm range. Is that really the case? |
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:06 am Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
Should I just go with another Series 1 since I enjoyed the last one I had, or would the Tamron SP 60-300mm be just as nice, and easy to focus with? |
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RAART
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
I have both lenses you mention... Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm 3.5 Macro and Tamron 300mm 5.6
I do not see any difference in focusing or prefer one over other.
The Tamron is slightly more difficult to focus when hand-held but this is only due to longer focal range of 300mm and nothing else. Mounted on tripod it is the same no difference and very easy to focus due to big focusing ring which in both cases has very similar turn (around 3/4).
Tamron is lighter then Vivitar.
Tamron has integrated tripod mount.
for Vivitar you have to order adapter with tripod mount on order to use it.
Vivitar is able to focus closer then Tamron and has Macro capability.
Tamron is easier to adapt in case you use Nikon or Pentax, but not sure about Canon. It just need to be changed Adapt-A-Matic or Adaptall-2 depending on the lens (older or newer) to camera you use. In case of using on M4/3 that does not matter.
Now, you decide for yourself... ![Wink](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________
Camera: Pentax K3
FOR SALE:
Do you have Pentax-A or F or FA primes and like to trade?
Here is the list what I have to trade/sale:
Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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memento
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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memento wrote:
battleaxe wrote: |
I have seen the word luxurious being thrown around in the 4/3 and m4/3 forums for the Oly zooms in the 250mm range. Is that really the case? |
AFAIK, there are only two Olympus-made OM zooms that reach 250 mm, and these are the 50-250/5 and the 85-250/5. There's no longer zoom exept, of course, the third-party offerings.
Here is a list of OM Zuiko lenses, while it is German only, the list itself (scroll down) is very comprehensive and probably 100% complete:
http://olypedia.de/Kategorie:OM-Objektive |
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
RAART wrote: |
I have both lenses you mention... Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm 3.5 Macro and Tamron 300mm 5.6 |
RAART thank you for that, but as I mentioned I had a Tamron(non SP) adaptall-2 mount that went up to 210mm didn't focus as well as the Series 1. How is the contrast on the Tamron vs the S1? On a related note do you know much about the SP version of that lens, or the 60-300mm Tamron SP? Thanks.
memento wrote: |
AFAIK, there are only two Olympus-made OM zooms that reach 250 mm, and these are the 50-250/5 and the 85-250/5. There's no longer zoom exept, of course, the third-party offerings.
Here is a list of OM Zuiko lenses, while it is German only, the list itself (scroll down) is very comprehensive and probably 100% complete:
http://olypedia.de/Kategorie:OM-Objektive |
Yes, that was the two lenses I have seen that word been used for. If either lens is actually what I am looking for, 250mm(500mm on m4/3) would more than an acceptable for my usage. Thanks. |
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memento
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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memento wrote:
I think, of these two, the 85-250 would be more interesting for you. The older 50-250 seems to be much more rare, so it today has a higher collector value, and also the optics on the newer 85-250 have a better reputation. At least that's what I have read, but most of it was referring to film cameras – anyway I guess that a lens that performs better on film cameras would also be rather better on the more demanding digital sensors. I've seen some 85-250s pop up at ebay recently and am also playing with the idea to get one for my E-M5, but somehow I dislike that you always have to reset the actual focal length to make the body stabilisation work correctly. Thomas |
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:55 am Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
I guess I really don't have to worry about that since I have a Panasonic m4/3 camera. I think may want to try out the 85-250mm, unless other have something to else to say. Thanks |
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RAART
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RAART wrote:
In this case (Panasonic m4/3) I will say stay lower focal length while Panasonic's do not have in-body image stabilization like Olympus and you have to use always a tripod not even a monopod unless you really have steady hand or you are marksman/sharpshooter/sniper. ![Razz](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) _________________
Camera: Pentax K3
FOR SALE:
Do you have Pentax-A or F or FA primes and like to trade?
Here is the list what I have to trade/sale:
Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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RAART
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:50 am Post subject: |
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RAART wrote:
battleaxe wrote: |
RAART thank you for that, but as I mentioned I had a Tamron(non SP) adaptall-2 mount that went up to 210mm didn't focus as well as the Series 1. How is the contrast on the Tamron vs the S1? On a related note do you know much about the SP version of that lens, or the 60-300mm Tamron SP? Thanks. |
Here are two links from my previous posts with samples of both lenses attached (also pictures of actual lens itself for the reference).
http://forum.mflenses.com/how-good-is-vivitar-series-1-70-210mm-macro-f3-5-kiron-t54827,highlight,%2Bvivitar+%2Bseries+%2B1.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/tamron-adapt-a-matic-300mm-f5-6-t53839,highlight,%2Btamron+%2B300mm.html
The SP version of Tamron 300mm should be better then this one I have. I never had it but I was looking for that one then I had opportunity and got older version. If I find Tamron SP 300mm I will sell this one but also in this focal range I look also for Pentax 300mm.
Hope this helps. _________________
Camera: Pentax K3
FOR SALE:
Do you have Pentax-A or F or FA primes and like to trade?
Here is the list what I have to trade/sale:
Primes: - Kiron 28mm f2 (C/Y); Vivitar 28mm f2.5 Auto (FD); Minolta MD 50mm f2 (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 35mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3); Miranda Auto 135mm f2.8 EC (incl. adapter to m4/3);
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battleaxe
Joined: 19 Dec 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:55 am Post subject: |
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battleaxe wrote:
RAART wrote: |
In this case (Panasonic m4/3) I will say stay lower focal length while Panasonic's do not have in-body image stabilization like Olympus and you have to use always a tripod not even a monopod unless you really have steady hand or you are marksman/sharpshooter/sniper. ![Razz](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) |
Oh I know that, and time I was deciding between having a built in EVF(and articulating screen to a lesser extent) or IBIS. I'd like to think my hands are reasonably steady when I use the the EVF(even in the focus magnification mode). So, I don't really think 300mm should be that much of an issue for me. Thank you for the suggestion though. |
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